NYT: Clinton to end campaign

What was it about her campaign that made you donate money to it? Was it the issues?

I'm with you. She can still win between now and the convention as BO missteps start to add up. Folks are going to see the true nature of things before Labor Day. She can say she supports BO for now but do not resign from totally being available to take the nom.

I agree with Austin-305988. Nancy P. "THE QUEEN BEE" will NEVER let a women become Pres. She is busy keeping all women away from her hive. It is obvious in her panic to make the delegates pick Oshamo. "I AM NOT an OSHAMO LEMMING". What an empty suit, what a sham!

I agree with Austin....

haven't decided to stay home on election day or vote for Mc - as the saying goes...

"better the devil (Mc) that you know that the devil/snake/empty suit

you don't know"

and what a shame that we haven't learned from Bush 2000 & 2004

Nobama 2008 is the Democratic Version of Bush2000

Way to show your true colors. Personally, we don't want support from people who make decisions emotionally and not with greater purposes at heart. Asta La Vista. Have fun supporting McCain.

hawaii voter, Obama's campaign was nothing but emotion.

If people claim to be such strong Clinton supporters, they must believe in the same principles and policies as she. Senator Obama and Senator Clinton have campaigned on nearly identical platforms, with occasional differences on how to solve issues like the economy crisis, health care reform, ending the war in Iraq, promoting diplomacy, and growth of green-collar careers to end our nation's dependence on foreign oil. Refusing to vote for Senator Obama in November by casting a ballot for Senator McCain or boycotting the election will not solve the problems for which Senator Clinton has spent so many years championing. Any one who votes for Senator McCain never really believed in Senator Clinton's policies.

This is not about Senator Clinton or Sentaor Obama; this is about the state of our nation and the world in which our children and grandchildren will grow and flourish. If you honestly believe that Senator Obama is nothing more than an empty suit, then I fear the right-wing has already accomplished their job. As for me, I already educated myself about both Democratic candidates and know that although both are competent and ready to be President of the United States, I can only vote for one in November, Senator Barack Obama.

To all you Clinton supporters: seriously now, there is not enough light between her and Obama to read by. On almost every issue they have similar ideas. If you really think McCain can fix the problems with our country—when he, Bush and the rest of the Repubs (now there's your lemmings) are the ones who f'ed us up in the first place—then by all means vote for McCain or stay home in November and reap the consequences, just like 2000 and 2004. This may not be your Democratic party any more. The problem is, it WILL still be your America. Do you really want four more years of this? If you do then I submit that you were never a Democrat to begin with.

And by the way, frosty, Obama is on record opposing the war prior to its start. A portion of his speech is here.

www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8

BUT HE DID NOT vote against it!!!

Well said why306237. You're asking the question I keep asking those who swear to swing their vote to J Mac now that Obama is the nominee..."Are you a democrat or not?" Clinton and Obama had nearly identical platforms. One would be hard pressed to find the differences in their views on the issues. If you say that his platform is empty, then her's must be too, because they agreed on issues far more than they disagreed.

I liked Hillary too, but bigger than that, I believe in the values of the party. If you swing your vote to a whole different party based primarily on the fact that Senator Clinton did not win the nomination, perhaps its your vote that is empty and nothing but emotion.

frosty, your constant SHOUTING is very annoying.

You're right about Obama not voting against authorizing the war. He couldn't because he was in the Illinois state senate at the time and state senators can't cast votes in the US Senate.

However, if your rationale for supporting Clinton or McCain is because Obama didn't actually vote against the war, then how do you square that with the fact that both of the others did, in Clinton's case refusing to say she made a mistake in doing so, and in McCain's with possibly keeping our troops there for 100 years more?

Let'sBeReal said:

If you swing your vote to a whole different party based primarily on the fact that Senator Clinton did not win the nomination, perhaps its your vote that is empty and nothing but emotion.

Well said, yourself! I think this is an example of a classic play stolen directly from the Repubs, which a lot of these so-called Hillary supporters must be: Accuse your enemy of your own worst qualities. I've had enough doublespeak.

I believe that Hillary is continuing her bullying at the expense of the Democratic party. Asking your supporters what they want you to do instead of congratulating your running mate? That isn't a good show of sportsmanship. She had all week to wrap her head around the fact the she was losing. I'm disappointed.

I am with you too. I voted for her and there is NO way I will ever vote for him. Not going to happen,

Ah, lancemonotone I'm sorry my constant shouting is annoying. Please forgive me. I support Sen. Clinton for many reasons. I do not blame anyone for voting yes on the war with the information that was given to all of us. Hind sight is great, if we really knew the info was bogus no one would have agreed on going to war. Everyone can remember what info was given to all of us.

Austin...Don't get down on this process. She'll come up like roses. Remember she is the smarter Clinton.

I'm going to point out that Newsvine staff have stated repeatedly that deliberately misspelling someone's name ('OSHAMO') in order to make a point is against the Code of Honor at Newsvine, and you can have your account either suspended or deleted for doing so...

I can not in good faith vote for Obama. I think Hillary is the right choice and i am writing her in on the ballot. I think we should start a movement. She did win the popular vote.

If you vote for McCain or someone else than you would have 4 more years of the Iraq war and possible a war with iran. You won't have an affordable healthcare. Think about it.

Your vote is your own, but all votes are relative. Not voting for Obama means helping McCain. Hillary was against the war and for ending it quickly. So is Obama. McCain's official position is that we can expect (under his leadership) to stay there for four more years. Hillary is pro-choice, so is Obama. McCain is not. Hillary and Obama have health care proposals far more like each other's than either is like McCain's. Disappointment is normal and Hillary Clinton was and is a formible representative of many people's hopes and interests. But not voting for Obama when the alternative is McCain -- not Clinton -- seems self-destructive and destructive of all that Hillary stands for and has worked so hard to achieve. Do you really want to do this?

Everytime I use spell check it keeps wanting to spell his name Osama,

Sorry but is not correct information. The correct spelling for Obama has been in the Newsvine spelling dictionary for many months. If you are getting a spelling error, it is coming from your browser, but not from Newsvine.

However "Osama" is not recognized. That is a word that you must manually enter.

'Dear Robert Blevins- AB of Seattle,
Everytime I use spell check it keeps wanting to spell his name Osama, and that can't be right because I know that is the bad guy we are after and I don't think we would let him run for Pres. so I just spell it how I think it should be spelled.'

Come on, Frosty...it's a cheap shot, like when people use Obama's middle name to somehow infer something that is not true. If you don't like Obama, fine. Just tell us why without making fun of the guy's name.

Besides, it's been done to death anyway.

First, to anyone calling Obama an empty suit (and yes Frosty, we know that ever time anyone types empty suit/anything it is you playing with usernames) you obviously have only watched Clinton supporting media and mainstream. Get on youtube (or wherever) and watch some of his real speaches, like the speach on race. Not empty. He has some very powerful ideas for this country.

Second, it is not the iraq war he wants to change. The whole change theme is not simply about changing the current hot-topics. It is about changing the way we approach issues. It is about listening to expert opinions and joining forces with the rest of the world to accomplish our ideals. Specifically it is about supporting (^intelligent) green energy (corn-ethanol is a scam and is wasting our money. It is not energy efficient and is driving up the price of grain/food/life. Thanks Bush).

Here is what I ask of anyone who has not done so. Get on the Obama AND McCain websites and work your way down to the specific plans they have for this country. Notably this is much easier to find on Obama's site, since openness is not part of McCain's principles. Also, watch some of their speaches, look at how they run their campain (including McCain's 'secret' fundraising with Bush). Then, look at how they have voted in the past. I'm not talking about the iraq war. I'm talking about whether they make informed decisions and learn as much as possible before voting or whether they vote for their party every time on issues they don't fully understand. I know McCain has a couple liberal leanings, but if he doesn't know then he just votes GOP. Also, his liberal leanings are not in particularly useful areas. He is still a reduce taxes and increase spending, oil-supporting false republican. I support the ideals of conservative economics, but GWB and McCain do not. They support Oil and Big Business. That is very sad to me.

Anyway, please please please just take a look at the issues and decide based on that. All this empty suit, muslim, Anti-American, Racist, Sexist media is just foolish. All of you who believed GWB when he said these four years would be different from the first should have learned by now that the GOP party has lost their morals. If only Ron Paul weren't a crazy Isolationist. He had some sensible ideas. I encourage the GOP to find someone as able to wake America up and move us in the right direction as Obama. Republican economics, Democratic Foreign Policy, and anyone who supports the Green Revolution (i.e. Bush Sr.) and the American ideals and freedoms would make my vote. As it is, I will be quite satisfied that I am making an informed decision in November and hope you do as well.

How very short-sighted you are. You're alternatives are John McCain or Bob Barr; both right-wing conservatives that are diametrically opposed to the ideals you have invested your money (and emotions) in... Try to understand that this primary was a friendly competition between two strong Democrats with the same agenda, who took this opportunity to see who could stand the heat that the Republicans are going to level on the Democratic nominee this summer. It was a dry-run for the general election. Hillary proved herself to be a tenacious fighter (never give-up, never surrender) who is well suited to be the VP, Supreme Court Justice, or Secretary of State, among other possible positions with enormous influence on policy.

Unless you were supporting Senator Clinton based on gender bias, or are opposed to Senator Obama based on racial bias, then you are doing a disservice to the Democratic party that you have been backing through the primary. It sounds like you vote based on knee-jerk emotional reactions rather than a critical evaluation of the policy differences between the Republican and Democratic visions for our country. You are the type of voter that is easily fooled by mudslinging and fear mongering, so try to see past the attacks and listen for the underlying message.

If you feel that will require too much effort on your part, the it's probably best that you don't vote, since you don't comprehend the impact your choice will have on our country. If you truly believe in Hillary's message, then do the right thing and help us take back the White House and Congress from the right-wing fascists that have devastated our economy and failed us on so many levels.

I'm not trying to tell you what you should do in November, but maybe you should let your disappointment with the outcome of an historic campaign by both Hillary and Barack before you cast a protest vote and put McCain in the White House. It's not about "you" getting what you want, it's about the future of our country, so try to develop a more complex understanding of the issues before you make a foolish choice, out of spite.

Obama and Hillary both had similar platforms. Had the Rev. Wright incident not come to light I would have supported BO. After seeing that and knowing how close a relationship BO and the Rev. had I cannot support a man who would not stand up and say this is wrong do not curse my country, I'm out of here. It caused me to wonder if BO would defend us against other enemies. I was not and am not in favor of the Iraq war because Iraq didn't attack us, but I wonder if the fact that Iraq is a Muslim country and BO's dad was Muslim is why he was opposed to it. I'm not voting for BO, for the first time in my life I'll probably not vote.
True change would be having a woman in the White House, but the media, and men who are intimidated by strong, intelligent women did not give Hillary her due.

The both were a toss up. Obama is new and America has a lot to learn about this politician; however, Hillary is no angel. I can understand that she cannot be faulted for Bill's mistakes but, she has her own and it brings just as serious question to her trustworthiness, loyalty and dedication to the American public than a newcomer. For this reason, I will take a chance on the "devil I don't know" because, going with the devil I know just assures me that I will definitely be in hell for the next four years.

Just like Bill Clinton when he ran for president, all he had was a few years in office as a governor and America took a chance on a person that seemed to contain far less substance than Obama. If anyone remember the Bill Clinton campaign, there were times that George W. Bush, Sr spun circles around Bill and his naive, inexperienced approach to the presidency that it left Bill speechless! And America STILL voted Bill into office!

Though Bill may have made some decisions that would place the biggest question mark upon our minds, he still fudged his way through and made a few good pointers with our economy. His situation with Lewinsky and his exit could have been much more diplomatic, but overall, we got through it.

When I review Obama's approach to defining the most immediate issues of our society, his website had a very detailed layout of identifying with the issues and, some sense of plan or draft to his approach in addressing the issues. He was the first candidate that actually represented a sense of plan and structure to his approach. His rallies may have been general in content but, his smaller town appearances and meetings were much more graphical. As an attendee of both candidates, they both did an excellent job sharing their values and views on the issues; however, I think Barack won because of his political insight, managerial/technical skills, leadership skills and most important, excellent judgment.

Some may not agree but, there is one view that kept me with him along the trail. It's one thing having to be wrongfully linked to others wrong doing; its another to be the wrong doer. I would have voted for Hillary just as much I did for Bill however, she DID exist as first lady and she DOES have a history and, not all of it was full of honesty, trust and loyalty; some of us haven't forgotten that. Of course, that will bring question to a candidate by the things people DO know and remember. On that note, just as I placed my trust in Bill when he first ran as the unknown "change" candidate without much of a bad history, I now place my faith in a new face that is no less than Bill's first intro; the unknown candidate that offers the potential to change this country for the better.. If we can make all kinds of excuses to outlaw Barack Obama, how can we do this without outlawing the Clintons? Considering, being a strong candidate for change may have been an observation he adopted from the first Clinton campaign?? You almost can't condemn one without condemning the other! I am surprised that people haven't noticed that similarity; Barack campaigned like many of the great "change" candidates in one.. INCLUDING BILL CLINTON!!!

I will never vote Obama. I am hoping Hill can still pull it out before the convention. Why are all of the superdelegates so blind to Obama's bad judgment and associations? I am sorely afraid I will be voting McCain.

This is to all of you who plan to NOT vote for Obama in November: Hillary is out, he is in. He is OUR candidate, support him! If you were on board with Hillary she would want you to still vote Dem. Things will never change unless we change them. Sen McCain is not change--more of the same. Same paranoid and greed-filled policies that have run us in to the ground. This country disparately needs a new type of leadership, now we have the opportunity. Remember; he is only the man who represents what we believe in. He needs your support. Further, the red neck vote is what put the imbecile in 1600 Pennsylvania in the first place. Its is all about the NEED for change, dismiss the hate. Actually, Hillary and Barack are not that far apart on the real issues, so to absolutely refuse to vote for him must be unrelated to the issues at hand and more related to hate.
I'm just sayin.....

We are sorry, you feel that way, there are no other democratic candidate to vote for , so we'll miss you at the polls. I;m sure the issues were not important to you anyway!
Good luck in the days to come
Obama Supporter.

I'm with you. She can still win between now and the convention as BO missteps start to add up. Folks are going to see the true nature of things before Labor Day. She can say she supports BO for now but do not resign from totally being available to take the nom.

No way. Giving her the Democratic nomination at this point would be ridiculous. She has no choice but to concede that. If there is some collossal issue that crops up later that cripples Obama, then she can always run as an Independent (not sure what the cutoff date is to get your name on the ballot).

On to Denver!!!!
I am 38 years old, and was never much interested in politics. So, you know, when all this primary stuff started a year ago, I really didn't have much interest in any of the candidates specifically, only "let's get anyone else in there other than Bush". But, I started watching the debates and reading up on all the candidates. In a perfect, ideal world, we wouldn't be voting for a person because of their "Party" and friends, we would be voting for that individual who has a track record of crossing those very lines and trying to get the important things we all want in life: health, wealth, harmony and happiness, regardless of, gasp, party affiliation. Quite quickly, I realized Senator Clinton was head and shoulders above Obama and the others, on every issue, on judgment, character and certainly experience. She frankly blew me away with her command of the issues. I found myself picking the person that has a track record of what I am looking for. That person is Senator Clinton. She has worked hard and diligently for all Americans, and spent years (35) building strong relationships because she has a passionate vision of what America can be.

When I read that the "party leaders were tired" of the Clinton campaign bringing up the FL & MI votes for the past few weeks, I thought: well, E-X-C-U-S-E ME! I am tired of not having a say in a Presidential election, I am tired of not having my vote count, I am tired of no insurance, I am tired of little business in a struggling economy, and I am REALLY tired of some out-of-touch, well-paid, Washington fatcats deciding they know more than their constituents! The straw that broke this voter's back was the way the DNC mishandled the FL and MI votes. That is NOT democracy, NOT the values of the Democratic Party and certainly NOT my values! The media has mounted the most biased, blatant one-sided campaign for Obama that frankly reeks of more than just voter suppression. What happened to journalistic integrity? What happened to objective reporting and let the voters decide? The misogynistic, gender bias that exists in this country is deplorable (from pundits, party leaders, the media) and if Senator Clinton gives in to the DNC and "follows the lead" they want her to take with Obama even after she is winning the popular vote, it would send a message that it is Ok to trash talk a leading woman politician, to belittle her accomplishments as if she were "just someone's wife", and this would send a message to every man out there to pile it on, to ignore and expect every woman to "get in line" like a good girl, for the betterment of society. Even if that very woman is the most accomplished candidate out there, or the most qualified professional for the job. What kind of message is that to send to our mothers, sisters, daughters, and sons?

This primary race has revealed a very flawed, twisted system and I for one will happily go back to my long-term Independent status soon, if Senator Clinton is not the nominee. I would love nothing more than for Hillary to run as an Independent candidate with 18+ million supporters strong. The Democratic Party is gone in my eyes. They have turned their back on the voters, on Senator Clinton, and on all that is good in this country. Manipulating the media, the voters, and the very "democratic" process itself has exposed our system as nothing better than any other country with flawed elections, tampering and propaganda. Shame on the Democrats.

Senator Clinton is the right choice, the ONLY choice for me in '08.

God Bless you Senator Clinton. You are an inspiration and a role model to all women and men who wanted to quit. Never give in, never give up. someone wrote most of this in a blog and it is exactly how I feel!!!! I could never write is as well as she did and I want everyone to know how we all feel and that no matter what you media people and men say we will not calm down in a few months and get behind Obama!!! ever I am now voting for Mcain unless Hillary is the Independant

To you pathetic excuses for Human Beings, a/k/a Clintonites, have you all lost your minds? Your candidate lost the election so now rather than vote for, the presumptive nominee, Obama you whine about this that and the other. Grow up for goodness sakes. The good old planet Earth continues to orbit around the Sun. She is not the last woman candidate who could win or had the best chance to become president. Please note the to become part Clintonites. She lost the campaign because of her arrogance whereby she presumed that small states were not important individually and collectively and paid the ultimate price. Unfortunately, her supporters can't and won't see that instead they try Mafioso like tactics by saying we won't vote for Obama if she's not the nominee. Talk about Chutzpah! Now that's what I call Democracy! The fact that Her Highness's groupies would even mention voting for McLame over Obama is bad enough but to try and use that as leverage to get her nominated by the Superdelegates is the last straw for me. Vote for Johnny Car McLame (A robotic cab driver from the Movie Total Recall) and suffer the consequences of his victory. You think things are bad now. Go ahead vote for the Repulicans and .."make my day.." (Another Movie - Dirty Harry Circa 1972/73).

If you're a Clinton supporter, then you'd vote the same way she votes, wouldn't you? Otherwise all your efforts to contribute to her visions were in vain.

Claire-302121: Had the Rev. Wright incident not come to light I would have supported BO. After seeing that and knowing how close a relationship BO and the Rev. had I cannot support a man who would not stand up and say this is wrong do not curse my country, I'm out of here. It caused me to wonder if BO would defend us against other enemies.

I don't support the comments of Rev. Wright either, but you also ned to take into consideration where he was coming from. He was someone who was beaten down by prejudice and fought hard during the civil rights era. So, yes, he said some very disturbing things in his sermons, but he is also an angry man. Preachers aren't perfect - they have emotions too and sometimes preach based on those.

Now - having said that - you can't possibly believe that his entire congregation actually BELIEVES what he says? Do you believe EVERYTHING that comes out of your church leader's messages?

It seems that Obama repsected Rev. Wright for all he did in the fight for equal rights, not for his opinionated sermons. Some folks go to church for more than just a sermon. Did this ever occur to you? Try to look past the sermon and see what going to church (or any religious worship) is really about.

Now that Mrs Clinton has finally come to her senses courtesy of certain members of Congress (Read Strong-armed into conceding to Obama) it is high time her supporters did the same. They should do the right thing and vote for Senator Obama come November, but I for one won't be holding my breath because of the vitriol (read resentment) being displayed in the majority of posts of her so-called supporters. Voting for Senator McCain is not a sane or rational thing to do just because your candidate lost in the primary albeit over a 16 month period and notwithstanding how many votes were cast for her that's not what gets you over the top - ask Al Gore. No one can say that Obama has not bent over backwards (Not to mention the Super delegates who she constantly threatened) to accommodate her desperate bid to get the nomination, so when its all said and done she lost fair and square and wasn't the victim of a conspiracy be it gender biased, sexist biased, media biased or race biased (Courtesy of Bill and Geraldine Ferraro). If you're a Hillary Clinton supporter and will not vote for Barak Obama then it's time to look into a mirror and ask yourself a simple question. I am doing this (Voting for McCain) out of spite or hatred? In both instances you're a loser big time, since John McCain is a huge supporter of the War in Iraq and doesn't believe in Universal Health care either, so what's the real reason your voting for him. I welcome any replies to this post.

I agree with you Austin. I am very disappoint in the outcome and could never vote for Obama. It appears John McCain is the lesser of the evils this time. It would be nice to go to the polls once and not have to vote for the lesser evil. The American public has got it wrong too many times in a row and look how it turned out. I am afraid the country will never recover and our children will have to live in a country that could have been so much better if not for our mistakes!

I, too, started out as a Clinton supporter and later became an Obama supporter. I refuse to throw out the baby with the bath water. If you ever supported the Democratic party, please remember we need your vote more than ever at this junction. LET'S GO OBAMA!!!

For all of the Clinton supporters that say they will never vote for Obama: If John McCain is now the best candidate for you, why were you not on the McCain bandwagon beforehand? It would seem to me that you simply voted for Sen. Clinton out of your own selfishness, not for the love of the Democratic party ideals. You wonder where your children get their selfish traits from when all you have to do is look in the mirror. This generation now sees the Democratic party infighting like a bunch of first graders (sorry kids). I was not initially a Barack Obama supporter and I would not blame the inherent racism in this country if he had lost; nor will I blame any inherent sexism on Hillary Clinton's loss. She simply did not run an effective campaign.

Surely, both candidates have had their missteps. Senator McCain has had his missteps. If you think that you have seen the last of them - think again. When HRC was steamrolling over everyone back in January through fundraising, delegates, votes cast, etc. the Clinton supporters were jubilant. But, when BO focused on and won the smaller contests, all of a sudden there were cries of sexism, unfair coverage, and the likes. If you think that it has been a cakewalk for Senator Obama, think again. If John McCain is now the best candidate for you, why were you not on the McCain bandwagon beforehand? It would seem to me that you simply voted for Sen. Clinton out of your own selfishness, not for the love of the Democratic party ideals. You wonder where your children get their selfish traits from when all you have to do is look in the mirror. This generation now sees the Democratic party infighting like a bunch of first graders (sorry kids). I was not initially a Barack Obama supporter and I would not blame the inherent racism in this country if he had lost; nor will I blame any inherent sexism on Hillary Clinton's loss. She simply did not run an effective campaign.

It is true that Senators Obama and Clinton have very similar policy agendas. So why then, if she lost the nomination and he won, would a real Democrat (who was going to vote for her) say they were jumping over to the Republican side, Independent side, or (worse yet) stay home and not vote? It must be that you have a deep seated hatred for Barack Obama, the man because it sure can't be for policy reasons. It really bothered me, just as it obviously did many others to see a strong person like Senator Clinton revert to the antics of a five-year old child; "If I can't have it, then I'm not going to let you have it." If she were indeed such a "strong" person, why does she need to have everyone take such care with her feelings since she lost? Believe it or not, with her and her supporters acting this way, they are showing that the many stereotypes of women could be true: she is supposed to be strong but is so weak that her feelings have to be massaged when she loses. Give me a break! I just wish that the Dems would get their act together and work to defeat another four years of the Bush policies. Think with your Democratic heads, not with your Clintonesque hearts...

This isn't about the nominee as much as it is about defeating the Republicans. I supported Obama from the beginning, but I was prepared to vote for either nominee. How anyone who calls themselves progressive could even suggest that they would stay home in November or support John McCain is beyond me. Obama is now faced with his first major decision. Merge the House of Clinton with his vision for America or pick an individual who shares his vision for America who is not part of the Washington establishment. In business, if you like the way things are going in a department, you pick an insider for the new supervisor. If you want change, you hire an outsider to inject some fresh ideas and outside the box thinking. Obama is not a real outside the box guy, but he is certainly sees over the sides. This is a new century could we try talking to our adversaries before bombing them?

No one is really saying they support McCain. But you have to accept some people are going to support the person not just the party, they may just not vote and I am sure your candidate will be elected without the votes of people who do not believe in him. That has already happened. So what are you all in a frizz about. Your canidate will be pres. without our vote. Who needs us stupid, ignent, no schoolin' idiot Hillary supporters for anywho! Right! I am just sayin I do not want another Jimmy Carter, I lived through that, it was not fun.

Once again the Clinton crowd cries about how unfair it all is. Truthfully, they need to grow up. Hillary lost. Why did she lose???? Well maybe it has to do with her choice of attacking instead of playing with honor.
The Clintons are vile people who would have never gotten my vote, so I do understand how some folks feel. I voted for anyone but Bill in 2 elections and in the last election I voted for Bush because I couldn't stomach Kerry.
Gut instincts are telling me Obama this time. BUT............ If he is dumb enough to put Clinton on his ticket I will be voting McCain- so I guess old McCain could win due to Hillary-
No wonder the repubs are calling Obama/ Clinton the "dream team"- lol

@Frosty, #3.54: Not really sure why you're putting yourself (along with other Hillary supporters) down with those self degrading remarks. Just because people voted for Hillary doesn't mean they are "ignorant" or "uneducated", etc. As has been stated many times Senator Clinton's and Senator Obama's political platforms were incredibly similar, with only a few minor differences. So, in the end, it became (mostly) a popularity contest, to which Senator Obama managed to pull through in the end.

Well, the popularity contest is over. Now we have Senator Obama and Senator McCain, who's political platforms are polar opposites of one another. You either support one or the other. I implore all Democrats who are saying they'd stay home (or worse, switch sides) to reconsider, as the core political stances you voted for will be laid to waste otherwise. Vote for what you believe in, not who's face is plastered on the DNC posters.

I made all the degrading comments about us Hillary supporters because the winning dem. candidate's supporters have been telling us that is who we are. Have you not read all the comments about us? Hillary supporters are the dumb. Congrates your candidate won! You all have defeated the Clintons (Hillary was the only nominee, not Bill). Yor candidate will be pres. the economy will guarantee that, it will be time for this country to switch parties. When I vote, I will vote for the person not the party. No more Jimmy Carter.

Does this mean you will vote for McCain?? Or does this mean you will not vote at all??
Just wondering.....

I will stay home. I do not believe in or agree with McCain. Your candidate has it in the bag, it is a done deal. No need for me to venture out that day (it will be the 1st time in 34yrs. that I will not vote) I think there will be record number turn out that day. Congratulations!
The only hope I have is for the Hillary bashing to stop.

Hillary is a great friend to farmers in New York. She has listened to the problems farmers have here and has been instrumental in setting up help for us. She is responsible for "The Pride of New York" grower and producer seal on farm products that encourage the consumer to buy and use New York State goods. Encouraging the public to buy local helps the small family farm to stay in business. Some of her efforts are listed below:
Fight vertical integration, which has crippled American agriculture, by establishing mandatory Country of Origin Labeling for all U.S. products; pushing for a ban on packer ownership of livestock; having her Justice Department investigate agriculture consolidations; and ensure that the small- and medium-sized producers compete on level playing field with corporate agribusiness. Target our commodity payment programs so that family farms -- not corporate farms -- are the key beneficiaries. Hillary favors closing loopholes that disproportionately benefit wealthy corporate farmers and those who do not directly take part in the operations or management of their farms. Hillary also supports establishing a permanent disaster program to assure producers aid will be there when they need it most. Work to expand market opportunities for farmers through innovative, direct-to-consumer marketing and niche markets to provide U.S. farmers with more options for selling their products. Hillary work to expand farmers' markets, provide value-added marketing grants, and create food distribution opportunities for farmers from across the country to earn more for their hard labor. Expand and enhance conservation programs in the Farm Bill and support carbon credit trading for producers who incorporate environmentally friendly farming practices. I could go on, She has brought "Taste Of New York" to Washington, D.C. with everything produced here from meat to wine. New York farmers know and love Hillary (we do not think about Bill that often).

Hillary also supports establishing a permanent disaster program to assure producers aid will be there when they need it most.

In case of what? What kind of aid? I only ask because I am suspicious of agricultural subsidies. But I think Hill is awesome and hat to see her drop out.

Personally, we don't want support from people who make decisions emotionally and not with greater purposes at heart.

Then what are you doing in the Obama camp?

Waiting for another "vision"?

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Dear Robert Blevins- AB of Seattle,
Everytime I use spell check it keeps wanting to spell his name Osama, and that can't be right because I know that is the bad guy we are after and I don't think we would let him run for Pres. so I just spell it how I think it should be spelled.'

Come on, Frosty...it's a cheap shot, like when people use Obama's middle name to somehow infer something that is not true. If you don't like Obama, fine. Just tell us why without making fun of the guy's name.

Besides, it's been done to death anyway

Yea!...try being civil ,like the Obamacrats,and use terms like ..Shillary....Billary...and Slick Willie.....Yea! Very educated!.....VERY civil!
Sure I CAN'T WAIT TO VOTE

I'm so glad you understand.

It's saves so much time when we can use your own words.

*Raises his hand* At least I always referred to Senator Clinton as either Senator Clinton or Hillary.

If that makes any difference.

I tend to flag derogatory name calling I see on the vine, regardless of candidate. Uphold the Code of Honour and what-not. That being said, there's been inappropriate comments from both sides of the fence, and it's been unfortunate to see.

Keeping on topic with the seed, I think Senator Clinton did an excellent job picking herself back up after Super Tuesday and the following Obama sweep. Wasn't quite enough, nor did I ever support her, but her recovery is respectable for sure.

I was excited about the election this year until the Democrats made a huge mistake. I started out being for Obama and as the weeks went on I started to see right through Obama. All he does it talk, talk, talk, and says nothing!! He isn't ready to run our country. I started to see Hillary being the right person to turn our country around in the right direction. Obama doesn't stand a chance to beat McCain. Hillary would have wiped McCain off the map! The only thing that will possibly help Obama is to put HIllary on the ticket with him - she'd be a big help and I hope he realizes that.

Wrlldtrvlr is ignorant of the facts. Just one of his smug errors: Obama is NOT a Muslim and never has been. Going to school in Pakistan as a very young boy does not qualify for that label. He is an American citizen and has been a Christian for most of his adult life. P.S. I am so glad you are such a knowledgeable voter but perhaps you should spend more time verifying your inaccurate assumptions!

danny-305996 said....The Democratic Party has already united and left her behind.

The Democratic party is far from united and Obama will not win against McCain. I have heard very few White Democrats say they will back him, most like myself see him as another Jimmy Carter, not qualified to be President. No way will he win we are all voting for McCain, not for revenge but because McCain at least has an idea of how to run this country other than just say , I want Change". What change is Obama talking about, the change in his pocket?

The change Obama is looking for is ending a war that never should have started. How long should we "Occupy" a country? The moment we leave, some radical freak will over throw the "puppet" govt that has been established by this charade of a war. It is costing us billions of dollars of debt per month that we are eating to pay for this war. The George Bush tax cuts are for the wealthiest Americans. Why not give the middle class a break? We should bring our troops home, strenghten our military, defend our borders, and start looking out for ourselves. Everyone that brings up the "Change" crack against Obama, clearly doesn't listen to him speak. Let's face it, obviously some people have a one track mind and come Hell or high water, will refuse to admit defeat or refuse to see things from another's perspecive. I guess that is why this is America and we have the right to say and believe in what we will.................

I'll take your place.... I will vote for MC and you can vote for the empty suit

Three comments:

1) Danny: your "first time in my life..." comment is eerily reminiscent of Ms Obama's "for the first time in my life I am proud of my country" in tone and tenor. I seriously suspect you are an Obama supporter pretending to be a GOP on the move in order to lend credence to your candidate's claim (bogus, I believe) of cross-over appeal
2) Frosty: That is just not helpful discourse, no matter how gratifying it feels when you hit "POST"
3) I am amazed at how clueless both sides are. Obomaniacs: trashing Sen. Clinton will not drive her supporters to Obama's camp. They won't vote for McCain, but they will stay home. Clintonistas: Demand respect (and Adolph Axelrod's head on a platter) and then support the nominee; that's what you would want if the tables were turned.

F OFF..........IDIOT..

If you believe Obama is a sham, but not Hillary Clinton or John McCain, then I feel truly sorry for you. It is not a sham to reach for something greater than the current system, nor is it a sham to believe that you can truly change the system. I was not alive to see Dr. King march or Bobby Kennedy try to change the world, but Bobby used to paraphrase George Bernard Shaw thusly:

"Some people see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say why not?"

Think about those words, and then see why we would vote for someone who at least looks higher than the old ways. John McCain will only continue the failed policies of the older generations of politicians, and Hillary, while I am a fan of hers, cannot move beyond the politics that worked in the past, and are no longer effective. Whether Obama is successful or not, history will tell, but I will take pride in going with him for the journey, knowing that we are better for having traveled it.

crossdem,
My "for the first time in my life" comment wasn't about being proud of my country. I said it was the first time in my life that I was excited about an election. Nothing more, nothing less.....don't try to read between the lines. I meant what I said. As far as pretending to be a GOP crossover to add to Obama's argument for crossovers. It is not pretend, it is true. Look at the facts. Here in NC and across the nation, there was a record number of people that changed their party affiliation to vote in the Democratic Party. I am sure that plenty of them were for Hillary and Obama. It is a statement that America is fed up with the same failed policies of the past. Oh, and I don't think it was Rush's "operation chaos" in action.

Dearest crossdem,
What are we helping here. Is this really a formal lecture. Are we running the country from here. I write and everyone else writes what their OPINION is of people, even their opinion of other bloggers. I am not going to write a book on my opinion of OSHAMO. I just reply to other comments in a short sum-up of him: Empty suit, sham. Chill, it is not like this is making any difference anywhere.LOL Teehehe

Always interesting, but... I stand by my comments, the gist of which is that the blogs are, for the most part, sound and fury signifying nothing, but having the potential to debase the discourse. Or maybe I am just expecting too much.

Danny: I accept you statement. But you need to keep in mind that I am one of the (formerly) registered Dems (VA) who have switch affiliation (back) to 'independent' because the campaigns run by Wolfson and Axelrod so disgusted me with the party. I will likely sit out the top of the ticket and vote Dem down ticket. I am not alone among many (Jim Webb) democrats.

Frosty: If being provocative on the blogs is your source of fun: fine. Just don't expect to sway any opinions. That is my point.

I dumb founded at how dumb most people are politically. The more Hillary stays in the race, the more BHO gets his name identified. There should be no rush for Hillary to step aside because as long as she stays in, BHO gets publicity. How much have you seen about John McCain in the news over the past few days. It's been all about BHO & HRC and how the Democrats can come together. Hillary will not let the media, a bunch of old white men or some of those who are mean spirited on the BHO side push her out of the race. Check out Gladiator - there is a scene in the Movie where Ceasar's daughter is looking through the curtain and Ceasar walks in and says, "If only you were a man, you would have been a great Ceasar." It is obvious that the White Ceasar men in out country do not want a women President, look who backed BHO - Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle (couldn't even carry his own State for BHO, John Kerry, John Edwards, the media etc. and 98% of the black people in our country. Who's more racist and gender bias. You can't say blacks voted for BHO because he is more qualified than Hillary. It is obvious, they voted for him because he was black. Remember one thing, more black people rose out of poverty during the 1990's than at any other time in our History and who was the President - Bill Clinton. And, yet, you turned your backs on the very preople that helped you obtain the first black Presidential Nominee of a major party. So, that makes blacks both racist and betrayers. If you would have nominated Hillary as President and BHO as VP, you could have had 16 years of progressive leadership in the country and allowed BHO to gain some national and international experience. Instead, you shoved BHO down our throats and expect us to now to bend over and vote for him. And, if you don't think independent and moderate Democrats that voted for Hillary won't vote for McCain, you are goofie. Four more years of a powerless Republican President with Democrats in Control of Congress with override authority will suit me just fine. BHO isn't ready and even he probably knows it.

Dearest crossdem,
Oh Sweetie I would never ever expect to sway any opinions. If we all thought the same, how boring would life be.

Jim158, I can think of another reason most white democratic HRC suppoters will not back him... It's not as though he has/had ONLY AA support (that would have only gotten him as far as Jesse Jackson) or fickle youth who won't vote in Nov.... hardly an "empty suit" when his policies are almost identical to HRC's (HRC's about as liberal as he is - Bill was left of center, but not Hillary), and hardly sexist with that strong wife of his, Michelle. Experience? It wouldn' t be the first time. JFK? Reagan was an ACTOR. hmmm. What could it be? Oh, I know. It was HER year. He STOLE it, like so many other AAs steal things. How silly to think that it was a RACE that they both waged, she leading in the beginning, with party backing, wealth, prior experience, support from two-term ex-pres, and name recognition. All he had was funny name that people suspected he was muslim (he's not - he's a CHRISTIAN) and charisma. Yet, he raised more money, ran more efficient campaign (no debt), had tweaks on basicly her policies, won about half of the popular vote and slightly more than half of delegates because she focused too strongly on big states, ignoring the smaller and caucus states (ran GE campaign during primaries - not the same), is very smart Harvard grad and was first AA chief editor of Review, was community activist, state senate and recently U.S. Senate where he is junior senator just like she is. But he has nothing to offer. He's so bad, must go for McCain if she doesn't get nomination, so bad for some that must go for McCain even if she is VP on his joint ticket. Wow. How silly of me to think that whoever was first choice, the OTHER Dem would of course be the second choice, and ALL dems would back whoever the eventual nominee would be. Silly me. That sounds too much like party unity and wanting to beat Mccain and Repubs in Nov. and take back the White House, that we took this SERIOUSLY and truly believed that Repub policy was bad for America. That would be having too much faith in fellow Dems who felt the other candidate was JUST AS GOOD as your choice to beat McCain in Nov. Silly me. The other half of the party (including the educated whites) are SO stupid. They should have known better. What were they thinking? Of course ONLY HRC could win. He's unelectable. Funny that really only happens when/if the other half of the party makes that a self-fulfilling prophecy by refusing to vote for him. Maybe there was OTHER reason not to back him that doesn't involve flag pin patriotism (does HRC wear a flag pin?) or nebulous associations (McCain has Keating 5, your default choice after HRC) or ungrounded fears? So what could it be? Dare I say RACISM? And if feminists think that McCain is the alternative to HRC over Obama, for "sweetie," my GOD. This guy called his ex-wife a @!$%# in public, divorced her when he got back from service, after he found her having gained weight from car accident and having to use a crutch, then married 16 year junior rich blonde just a month or two after divorce final, doesn't support equal pay for equal work ("women aren't educated" which is why they don't gt equal pay), and lastly, wants to appoint conservative Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v. Wade). Think about it, women. my 2 cents LOL

Frosty, I thought you wanted respect for your candidat. Intentionally misspelling/mispronouncing the other candidate's name does nothing to garner respect for you or your candidate.

This year, I voted on the Democratic ticket for the first time since I was old enough to vote. Obama was not my total choice, as there are ideas he embraces that I don't. I would rather see Obama be the party's choice however.
It all goes back to Bill for me. He embarrassed our nation publicly, and Hillary didn't have the strength to say, "Hey, you jerk! You were wrong. You wronged our family and our nation with your choices." I'd have more respect for her if she had done something like that. She chose to grin like a monkey and be "supportive", however her political wheels were turning. I believe she planned then to be president, riding her husband's fiasco to her own success. I do not respect that. I don't see her as a strong woman. A strong woman would have spoken up at the time and scored some points with me.

It's good to see some folks here really discussing issues despite the few disgruntled people. I caught one comment from Danny that I wanted to add to: As far as us "occupying" Iraq, you should know the Iraqi people are finally making leaps and bounds in taking care of the issues they need to in order for us to start the leaving process. That said, you shouldn't expect a complete withdrawal during the next 4 years. Things in Iraq just don't happen too quickly. Nobody wants to be there any longer than necessary. Things are moving in the right direction, lets not pressure ourselves into a disaster by dropping everything and leaving. We're in this and we are finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

Well said MNWriter!
I totally agree. Some people are afraid of change but, life itself warrants change. We can find that answer just by inner-reflection. I would love to go back to the careless days of my youth when life was good and worries were things that only adults do but, that isn't going to happen. As we grow, we learn to deal with the cards we have been dealt; it's called life. What we do with it can make change a positive journey throughout life or, a miserable one. I don't know about people that try so hard to hold on to yesterday but, I prefer to grow in grace.

Tomorrow is a fresh new opportunity to take on a different direction; if holding on to yesterday only subscribes to potential stagnating, then take me out back, dig a hole and shoot me now because, I feel as though I would be living a life with no purpose, direction or, forward momentum...

The Democratic Party has already united and left her behind.

Feels more like they told her to go fetch them some coffee while the big boys discuss the important things. But then, I never liked her much, so it doesn't bother me.

Folks,

Frosty, Austin and most of the rest of the "Hillary supporters" in this thread are trolls who joined the site yesterday. Don't bother engaging. There is no evidence to support the fact that they/he/she/it is a Hillary supporter. Any Democrat who was actually planning on voting Democrat in November will vote for the parties candidate. Anyone saying otherwise is just here to stir up trouble. Don't be baited.

Any Democrat who was actually planning on voting Democrat in November will vote for the parties candidate.

I agree that the crossover will be minimal, maybe 5-10% at the most, and certainly nothing like the 28% that was showing up at the exit polls. But there may be some work to do by the Democratic Party to convince her supporters that it wasn't Obama's people who were trying to push her out, and that the Dems like Pelosi were acting independently. In short, Obama just needs to convince the Hillary supporters not to take it out on him, because it was the Dems "old guard" that wanted her out PERHAPS somewhat prematurely.

Frankly, whatever crossover there might be from Hillary to McCain will be more than made up for by crossover from everywhere else to Obama. Hillary had to be pushed out because she wouldn't leave on her own. She has no one to blame for any perceived slights but herself.

The mantle of the Presidency ill fits her. She lacks humility, grace, and worst of all, selfishness engulfs her personality and controls nearly all of her actions. The harder she tries to play nice and sweet, the uglier the outcome of this race gets.

It's hard for her "credentials" (some of them fabricated!) to make up for those deficiencies. She's holding her voting bloc hostage, playing coy little games, (she wants to be asked to be VP, but she won't accept---what in the h-- is that mess?) rather than "man up" (I think that what some of supporters would say) and concede the race.

She is blatantly disrespecting Obama as the party's candidate. How does she think she is going to strong arm the DNC? She'll be the first to get away with it I'm pretty sure. A lady knows when to leave the party. I guess she has no ambitions of being a lady. And that is turning a lot of people off.

All of those above who hate Hillary...can any of you tell me what concrete thing she did that so offended you? Also did you know that teachers, nurses, the disabled, the autistic,
etc. have lobbyists. Not all lobbies are to nefarious ends. She's out of the race leave her alone. Imagine how you would feel if Obama had lost. I'd imagine there'd be street riots. I'd riot for Hillary but I don't get around so well. She is a human. Act like your gracious candidate. At least he has the manners to not kick a woman when she's down. I am happy to see MLK's dream be realized. Look at Barack's victory. Don't pummel the also ran

her "credentials"

Ironing shirts?

All of those above who hate Hillary...can any of you tell me what concrete thing she did that so offended you?

I started hating her when she was presumptuous enough, as the First Lady, to think that she could write the recipe to socialize health care, as though she was the President or the Vice President. She was nothing more than a lawyer at the time, and possibly a croocked one at that.

Excellently said, jade-log. (#5.26)

Torabu...Fred...Whew, that was like watching a Goddard movie. She was brought up by a wacky father who was a-----REPUBLICAN and I understand a rather domineering drunk. She went to a classy school and because of the war at the time, she struck out at the establishment by becoming a----- DEMOCRAT. She was bright (brighter than Bill?) and moved on to (as Barack did) social involvement. She worked with a law firm that many thought was "croocked"one. There many jokes about the ethics of many lawyers. Guess what the Obamas are ---lawyers. Of course that was the inquisition of the REPUBLICANS. They tried every thing to knock them down. Finally they got some sperm on a blue dress. Hello. FDR had a mistress. Eisenhower had a mistress. JFK was supposed to have slept with Marilyn Monroe. I don't think Nixon or Reagan had one. Anyway the Clintons were the first progressive White House dwellers since FDR. She even befriended Barack as a first term Senator. She tried. Have you ever tried and not changed the world? Which is worse sperm or an unjust war?

A Muslin? Do you mean Muslim? First off, he isn't one. Secondly, if he was? I believe this country was found on Freedom of Religion.

Obviously not as much as you do, and that's a GOOD thing because after McCain gets done with the economy that's what you'll be doing (going out picking up apples so you have something to eat). Jeez when did people get so pathetic and petty that they'd throw away their entire future because some disingenuous @!$%# that they THINK actually cares about them didn't get the nod. You're not just dumb, you're DAMNED dumb, so you go ahead and vote for McCain. You;re liable to get just exactly what's coming to you.

You think you can be scrutinized by your party and others and hide something like this? I am so tired of hearing this slur.

FACTS. REALITY. Please, for the sake of this nation, try them on!

A Muslin huh? Never thought of Obama as a PIECE OF MATERIAL....If you can't spell, can't get your facts straight, you shouldn't vote anyway. You are the complete opposite of what a free voting country should be about.

you gotta be kidding me. Do you also believe this bs that he is the antichrist? You probably do. Be my guest and vote your heart out for McCain. Michelle Obama is right, its not Barack that's not ready, its small minded people like you that aren't ready.

I actually thought that the one good thing to come out of the Wright flap would be an end to the "Obama is a Muslim bit. It has been debunked about a thousand times at this point. What ever.

What I truly don't get about the "If not Hillary then McCain" crowd is just how they are picking their candidates. Hillary herself has pointed out that the differences between her and Obama pale in comparison to those between either of them and McCain.

So, all this must boil down to simply "identity politics".. a really lousy way to pick a candidate...

Granted, we all pick our candidate based on how much we "like" them to some extent, but for heavens sake, look at just a couple of issues and see if you at least agree with that candidate !! If you don't then why vote for them?

Sexist?
A MUSLIN?

Wow. Hillary should be ashamed to have such low-intelligence people sockpuppeting for her (yes, many here ARE all the same person posting under different IDs).

Sexism is when someone does (or does NOT do) something merely because of sex. You women promoting Hillary ONLY because she's female, are just as sexist as anyone who votes against her because she IS female.

A MUSLIN? How can someone be a voting adult in this country, able to read and write, and not understand that Muslin is a piece of cotton cloth -- it's what cheap sheets are made of. You voted for Hillary after getting all of your information from hoax emails? How many Nigerian scams have you fallen for? How many times have you given your identity away to phishers.

As a 61-year-old woman who's paid attention to Obama for years, I feel confident that he is the LEADER our country needs. I am ashamed of my gender, for the displays of pure stupidity I am seeing here.

My husband, a veteran, feels the same.

Anyone who says he's voting for McCain just because their candidate lost fair and square (using the rules properly), should take some Zantac and look at what they're writing before they press that "Post Comment" button.

Congratulations. Another American Idol voter who doesn't really care about the issues.

Have fun screwing over the nation!

wow so you are saying he shouldn't get the nomination because he played by the rules . out maneuvered her and clearly had the stronger campaign strategy. His team knew how the Democratic primaries worked and in states they knew they would lose they campaigned to mitigate the number of delegates Clinton got. Clinton simply conceded the states she would lose to Obama and that put Obama out of reach.

Sadly I'm not terribly surprised by the ignorance of the Hillary supporters that are claiming they will vote for Bush III instead of Obama. Exit polls in many states showed Hillary voters saying they wouldn't vote for Obama based on race.

"The racism revealed in Kentucky (where 17% of the voters were whites who said they voted against Obama partly because of race) ranked a close second to last week's vote in West Virginia, where 19% of the voters fit this criterion" (links are omitted but the data is available on msnbc's website)

Did Obama ever play the race card? no. Did he bring up Whitewater or any of the MANY other problems the Clintons have faced/currently face? no.

He had a message of change and of looking forward. Clinton was the one who ran the dirty/divisive campaign.

I am a registered independent but I will be backing Obama, just say no to 4 more years of Bush politics.

Actually muslin is a kind of cloth.

I'm glad someone else already pointed out the "Muslin" thing. Assuming you meant Muslim, I can't believe that is even a legitimate argument. Those who believe Obama is a Muslim usually also comment on his Christian pastor Rev. Wright in the next breath - figure out that one!

I am a white female and I was for Obama since the beginning. I think between gender and politics what is usually missing from this debate is "generation". That's really the MOST important thing. I am 32 and Obama has beliefs closer to mine than any politician I've ever heard, and I think that is because he grew up in the wake of the the baby boomers and the social battles of the 60s. THAT is the change I am voting for.

Obama understands nuance. He is a global and big thinker. Unlike our current president, he can learn - from his own mistakes and the mistakes of our country. I've done the research, I know his biography, I am a political news and information junkie and I can tell you - he is not an empty suit. The most important thing a president can do is set the tone of the country - and Obama truly "gets" where the US needs to be to regain our place in the world, he "gets" the issues of black america, white america and poor america (he has experienced all of these first hand) he "gets" the importance of education, of health care and he is an innovative thinker who will come up with a palatable, bi-partisan way to make these changes work. He doesn't have a lot of experience in national office (local office he does) but he knows how to think, how to learn and how to pick people with the right experience. He has shown all of that in this campaign. If Hillary supporters cannot see that . . . then wow. Just. Wow. I know you are angry about Hillary's loss - but take a moment to educate yourself on Obama before pulling the lever for McCain - or worse, not at all.

Congratulations you are in the IGNORANT 15% OF NO BRAIN idiots that believe Obama is a Muslim...wow how pathetic you are. I quess that's why he took way too much crap over his CHRISTIAN minister.

ham, barack as a Muslim and a socialist with commie connections; the clintons as liars and monsters who children in the dark; are constructs of the wiley republican infiltrators.

So, you want to stay in Iraq indefinitely, add another conservative hard-liner to the Supreme Court for the next 25 years, further loot the treasury and trash the economy, and validate the ethical and legal nightmare left after seven years of three-branch Republican rule?

You're not thinking about this much, are you.

As a long time Democrat, you should know it is not about the person. The party, the overall policies and issues are the most important things that will determine the fate of our country. Clinton and Obama's platforms were nearly identical. An emotional vote for the republican will not help any of us. As a long time Democrat, I must vote the Democratic nominee.

Thank you visnet!
The obvious that people don't see; they are compassionate about nearly the same issues! The only thing I see different is their approach. Otherwise, voting for one is hardly any different than voting for the other!

It's like a train going to the same destination; who cares who is pushing the controls! It's all going to the same place anyway!

I liked the fact that Barack can encourage people to move in a certain direction. He's demonstrated this with the few bills he did support and, that is his intent when he becomes president. Unite and conquer! That's better than trying and trying to do something that you might not be able to budge on your own! Better to get things moving than not! I think he's got a good idea on how to change laws, get bills approved and jump start a lot of stagnating situations with our economy.

In the beginning of the campaign, Hillary and Bill constantly told the public that he was filling us with false dreams. However, he has done very well gathering the support of both parties and within his campaign, driving home a winning ticket. That should say quite a bit about his ability to get things done as the Commander and Chief. Sometimes, experience is good but, maybe it is the way that Bill and Hillary approached things that made it difficult to make historical change; that doesn't mean it can't be done and sometimes, it takes a fresh new mind with new ideas to push it to that edge! Former experience cannot determine this...only in the time of that moment will we know the truth and, can it be delivered.

However, so far, Obama has done an excellent job proving that the Clinton law of politics can be contradicted.. I place my vote on the one that has proved more capable than the Clinton machine.... So much for "experience."

what the hell is "the Clinton law of politics?"

you think your are going to the the WhiteHouse from the lobbyists... who do you think
is running his campaign? keep drinking the kool-aid

if he wins he is a LameDuck!

Ummm isn't that McCain with a large number of lobbyists on staff.. I seem to remember a shakeup in the last two weeks....

just afew months ago Obama supporters were saying if he got the popular vote the delegates better vote for what the people want because we are tired of their choices or there would be a revolution in this country well who got the popular vote HILLARY the people r crying out for her we should stand up and let our voices be heard before we all r sorry empty suit/ false prophet

Thanks for that.
One of the few, well thought out comments on here.

I just want to say something to those saying they are Democrats or Progressives but now they will vote for McCain. I know how hard it can be to see a candidate you are so emotionally invested in not achieve the results you had hoped for. I felt the same way with Howard Dean four years ago.
However, McCain will not offer policies that are in line with Progressive Democratic ideals. Please do not let your anger spill over into a choice that our country will come to regret for generations to come.

I agree - Hillary should run as an Independant. She would beat both McBush AND 'Bama.

Independent isn't a party dbag...

Besides not having an party by the name 'independant,' if hillary were to put her name on the ballot, that would only ensure McCain's victory by splitting the democratic vote... very reminiscent of Ralph Nader.

Second, to anyone calling Obama an empty suit (and yes Frosty, we know that ever time anyone types empty suit/anything it is you playing with usernames) you obviously have only watched Clinton supporting media and mainstream. Get on youtube (or wherever) and watch some of his real speaches, like the speach on race. Not empty. He has some very powerful ideas for this country.

Third, it is not the iraq war he wants to change. The whole change theme is not simply about changing the current hot-topics. It is about changing the way we approach issues. It is about listening to expert opinions and joining forces with the rest of the world to accomplish our ideals. Specifically it is about supporting (^intelligent) green energy (corn-ethanol is a scam and is wasting our money. It is not energy efficient and is driving up the price of grain/food/life. Thanks Bush).

Here is what I ask of anyone who has not done so. Get on the Obama AND McCain websites and work your way down to the specific plans they have for this country. Notably this is much easier to find on Obama's site, since openness is not part of McCain's principles. Also, watch some of their speaches, look at how they run their campain (including McCain's 'secret' fundraising with Bush). Then, look at how they have voted in the past. I'm not talking about the iraq war. I'm talking about whether they make informed decisions and learn as much as possible before voting or whether they vote for their party every time on issues they don't fully understand. I know McCain has a couple liberal leanings, but if he doesn't know then he just votes GOP. Also, his liberal leanings are not in particularly useful areas. He is still a reduce taxes and increase spending, oil-supporting false republican. I support the ideals of conservative economics, but GWB and McCain do not. They support Oil and Big Business. That is very sad to me.

Anyway, please please please just take a look at the issues and decide based on that. All this empty suit, muslim, Anti-American, Racist, Sexist media is just foolish. All of you who believed GWB when he said these four years would be different from the first should have learned by now that the GOP party has lost their morals. If only Ron Paul weren't a crazy Isolationist. He had some sensible ideas. I encourage the GOP to find someone as able to wake America up and move us in the right direction as Obama. Republican economics, Democratic Foreign Policy, and anyone who supports the Green Revolution (i.e. Bush Sr.) and the American ideals and freedoms would make my vote. As it is, I will be quite satisfied that I am making an informed decision in November and hope you do as well.

Sorry for the repost. This was not in the right place originally and now I can't edit it.

Hillary can't win without Obama voters and Obama can't win without Hillary voters. There is no way Hillary would win as an independent.

Yumf,
Not only would it be a problem for either candidate, what would stick out like a sore thumb would be; where is Hillary's commitment? To try to go independent after claiming such dedication to the Democratic party may not sit well with many democratic voters. I can't see how she could win as an independent... As a committed Democrat, I would be faithful to my party. I voted for Barack but, in any event he had lost to Hillary I would be voting for Hillary in November; whether I agree with her ideals or not because, this is a situation that is more important than the candidate alone. It's about commitment and dedication. I would still throw my full support and vote to any democratic nominee. If she ran as an independent I truly wouldn't vote for her; I will only vote for the democratic nominee..no matter who they may be.

He is not a Muslim, but his family (step-father and brother) has strong mulims ties, and he keeps a group of America hating extremeists very close to him. Most Americans do not hate this country as much as the television tells them they do. Obama is going to eventually unite a majority of this country. His is going to unite us against him and the socialist and globalist ideals that are slowly eroding the values that made this the greatest country in the history of humanity.

Sorry, friend, but socialism isn't a dirty word to people who know what it means, globalism is another way of referring to anyone who isn't xenophobic, and we're the greatest country in the world because we recognize that our values must evolve with us. Open your mind - hate and fear destroy you no matter how holy you think you are.

agsts: "Strong Muslim ties" say what?

Please push this into your impossibly small brain:

1) His father was a NON-practicing Muslim, and Obama was not raised by him and barely knew him.
2) His father's Muslim family he ALSO BARELY KNOWS.
3) He was raised by an atheist/agnostic family.
4) He belongs to a CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

These are the facts. There isn't any other truth. The rest is just bull people who are too cowardly and sniveling to make real choices and face the truth make up.

Agst,
My mother is a Prodistant, I am a baptist. I am still going to love my mother for who she is and I hope she still loves me in return. She has her faith, I have mine and, we don't alienate each other. There are differences in the faiths and, we do often discuss them. On end, the differences are not reason to stereotype or alienate each other. I don't think people should judge or condemn a person by anothers decisions. In short, because my mother chose to be prodistant doesn't make me prodistant or, even considering following their faith; however, I still respect my mother for who she is. In return, me being Baptist doesn't make my mother baptist nor, associates her with my faith.

It is possible that Barack can have a Muslim father, mother, cousins or whatever and he still chose to be a member of a Christian faith. What does HIS choices have to do with theirs and vice versa? Open your mind and horizons! It is a scary thought to have Americans that reside in a country that supports so many freedoms to choose as an individual or independent, those things that specifically addresses ones character. And to believe that people still think, feel or vision such generalizations; thats almost unbelievable! I am going to dictate this from Michelle Obama; "No place else in the world can her story be told." I would imagine because America is the land of the free and the brave.... Only in America can two family members choose to worship in different faiths without nearly causing war. Only in America can women be the head of their own companies. Only in America can many indepedent rights and privilages be pursued by the individual than anywhere else in the world.. Wake up and realize that only in America can Obama and Michelle be American and have such diverse backgrounds and STILL live free as an "American."

No offense but, I hope this instills a little practical wisdom...

Can you imagine Michelle Obama as our first lady? Now that's scary, but I don't think that will happen.

Yes I can...why would it be hard....she is just a little different than you....educated

Why not....I forget you people have issues with intelligent women

If Hillary isnt on the ticket - I refuse to vote Democrat. Obama is secretive, untrustworthy, sneaky and quite a bit more they wont let me post. He only won this contest because of the media. I hope they will be happy when we end up in the same situation like Gore/Bush. Now everyone in the country is kicking themselves in the butt over supporting Bush. HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!! I would rather see Mickey Mouse running this country than Obama.

Michelle Oshamo said this of Bill Clinton because of a comment he made: "I was so mad at him, I could have GOUGED his eyes out" Yikes!!! Can you imagine a first lady talking like this? Among other things she has said, we know them well. She is one mean motor scooter! "I AM NOT an OSHAMO LEMMING"

Everyone who is saying you don't "trust" Obama... Is it because he is black?

No! If he were purple you could not trust him. Who is he?

Wow, this year has really opened my eyes to the racism in this country.

Frost, stop using multiple usernames. We're sick of it.

McCain does not think the goverment should tell the public what it's doing and you call Obama secretive? He is completely open. If you want, you can ask him a question, any question, and he will answer as best he can. Send him an email via his website. If his opinion on the issue is already public, then yes, an aid will send you that response. If it is a worthy question he will get it an answer it. Go ahead and try it.

And is anyone here saying that they've never been so angry they thought of hurting someone? Darn, there she goes being all open an honest again. Let's distrust her because she's black. I hate racists. You make me sick.

That would be throwing a vote away, if you want to do that, than you have no say any longer.

Barack Obama is no different than ANY other new candidate that the people of America has elected president with very little background. This also is likewise the same as with Bill Clinton. Who WAS he? Hardly anyone knew accept, he was some governor in Arkansas that no one had heard of.

Did America tack him to the wall? Was BILL accused of some sort of unknown conspiracy? Did Americans know HIM that well? No, no and NO! But, the majority of Americans, black, white, yellow, red and all still found a way to trust him enough to put him in office for TWO terms. WHY?

Because he had a normal name like "William Clinton?" Why? Because he was the governor? In authority, doesn't the senate supersede the governor? When all the comparisons are in, there is more reason to give merit and reason to Barack Obama than Bill Clinton when he ran. But that isn't the case...Why? Why America? Are you SURE it isn't because of his race?

Why do I ask this question? Because, historically, Americans have chosen to elect more incompetent, inexperienced, unknown white men into the presidency than this man can every represent but, people are finding mysterious fault; the only recognizable difference IS the color of his skin. History has proved that some Americans are willing to trust an Idaho white potato as long as it claims to make change and, it does not have a chocolate brown coating. Here is a man that has more to offer than many former elected white men as a new "unknown" candidate but for some reason, people are trying to dig up fault rather than looking at the obvious. There are many people that have valid political concerns not to vote for him but, there are many that embark on the rumors just to falsify a reason not to vote for a minority! I tilt my hat to those that are honest enough to admit that they won't vote for Barack no matter how smart or capable he is but, because he is black and they won't vote for a black man.

No matter how ugly this may sound or, how people may look at it as being bias or, being a bigot; at least they are being honest with themselves and what they think. That is more important than being a liar to themselves and their feelings or, trying to cover it up as something else. As an individual, I may not like this sort of statement but, this is America and people are entitled to their feelings and choices; I can respect it....if not for its content, at least for its honesty.

I don't know if I would characterize a person who refuses to vote for Obama to be either racist, sore loser or idiot. However, I would like to know how that person feels when his or her daughter dies in a back-alley abortion because McCain named one more judge who votes against Roe v. Wade. Or how the person feels when his/her son dies in the desert because of a war we should not be fighting. Or gets sick and dies because his health care didn't cover the diagnostic test that would have found the cancer or the medication needed to treat it. It'd like to see how the person justifies the results of his/her pique to himself or his or her dying wife, mother, daughter, son, sister, brother....lots of luck.

Karen, I appreciate your obvious concern and agenda, but the sensationalism is a little over the top. And as for your later comment re: Hillary ought to have stepped aside immediately - she has a responsibility to the party and to the people who supported her - half the primary voters, some people say more, and some people say less. The Democrats are a fiercely independent group of thinkers, and her stepping aside (and behind) a man many of her voters think has no business running for president (and not because their retards or racists, you Obama fanatics) considering the symbol she IS would be tremendously painful and risk driving them away from the party. Obama's cool-aid is not universally appealing.

all the above... and if you think the Democrats are going to be the majority...you are
wrong... KEEP saying LameDuck,LameDuck and drink all the koolaid you want!

I am not a sore loser, am not idiot and as far as I know I am not Rascist. Please stop calling Hillary supporters just because we will not vote for him !!! We simply do not like him and do not think he as exiperence. DO NOT TRUST HIM EITHER !!!!I just do not like him and has far as I know I am in America and I can have my own opinions and do not have to be in line with everyone else. I also ressent all the comments about Hillary supporters being not educated, I am college educated women ! If you want us to vote for him STOP CALLING US NAMES AND CALLING US STUPID !!!!! ALSO STOP PUTTING HER DOWN !!!!!

See, that's what I am talking about. It is the Oshamo supporters that are dividing the Dem. party

@24.4

Stop using all caps and proper grammar if you want to be considered 'college educated; then.

E-306491,

Did you vote for Bill Clinton when he ran for president? If you did, have you thought of one thing; you voted for the new "for change" candidate when or if you voted Clinton. Problem is, do you know that Bill Clinton was some not heard of, back roads, governor from Arkansas that many people heard nothing about? Didn't do anything extremely magical to catch the attention of the media or otherwise. When he ran for president, George W. Bush, Sr ran CIRCLES around Bill Clinton to the point that there were times along the campaign trail that Bill Clinton was left virtually speechless! Bill was so new and wet behind the ears that he demonstrated he was SO far out of his element running for president that I am sure he gathered a ton of sympathy votes... But, America still voted him into office. This is the same Bill Clinton whose wife is now running for President. This is the same era of "exprience" that Hillary refers to as part of her campaign; Bills first "wet" term as president and second term as a somewhat experienced president.

When he stepped into the campaign circle, he had a lot less to offer than Barack Obama in his current status. I think this is what makes the whole issue perplexing. Barack isn't nearly half as wet as Bill was but, some Americans have a hard time dealing with this. Then there is the mysterious "experience" factor. What is there to call experience when your learning from a very "wet" president? I guess many people have forgotten that number one element; who WAS Bill Clinton when he ran for office. Twice as wet than Barack Obama. And this "lack" of Bills experience being the foundation of Hillary's experience is virtually NO experience at all. Why? Because, it was a lot of "inexperienced" years before Bill got the hang of things. At least Barack had the opportunity to be local and state senate and had some dealings with Washington and the White House which is a lot more that could be said for Bill Clinton during his time.

Again, Bill not being the direct object of this campaign but, Hillary's experience being the object of her claim when she was first lady to an unknown, inexperienced governor of Arkansas that just happened to smooth his way into the presidency with virtually NO Washington relevance whatsoever! When it comes to "experience," I think there is a leveled field here. She puts on the fallacy that being first lady to an "inexperienced" president has gained her experience; however, the key is, being first lady to an inexperienced, unheard of, governor from Arkansas... That about places her at no more or less than Barack Obama... On end, if the shoe was on the other foot, I am sure that many Obama supporters would still prove to be loyal to their democratic party and vote for Hillary; sorry that some of Hillary supporters don't feel equally the same.

I don't trust Obama at all - he has no idea how to run our country and turn it around in the right direction.

But you would trust Hillary Clinton to run the country after she demonstrated that she can't even keep a campaign that started out with 3 times more money that Obama's out of debt? Where's the logic in that? If Clinton couldn't manage her campaign's financial situation, how in the hell is she going to manage the government?

Obama would certainly benefit from having Clinton on the ticket but he doesn't need her to win. The Democrats haven't made a mistake. Clinton made the mistake of over-estimating the support of superdelegates for her campaign. Clinton made the mistake of feeling like she was entitled to the nomination. Clinton has no one to blame but herself.

You've got that right. Obama is just too naive for the job. What an arrogant ass to even think he could do it!

I totally agree!!!

Stop reading mainstream media and look at the issues. Don't make your decisions based on whether their true opinions or ideas make it to mainstream. Nobody's do. You were clearly making your primary decision based on studying clinton, not just mainstream (I hope). Do the same for the election. It's even more important this time. I'm not dissing Clinton, she was a good candidate. Stop comparing them and compare Obama to McCain. Are you seriously telling me you trust what he is saying over Obama? You trust that he is different from Bush? Think again my friend. Unless you want another four years of uninformed Stubborn GOP decisions and a full out war with Iran, don't vote for McCain. The rest of the world hates us enough, and has already lost a great deal of respect for Americans when we put GW up a second term.

Who is he? Read the policies listed on his website. Watch his issue videos. Get out of mainstream floatsom and dive into the issues and deeper ideals behind these candidates. Clinton is done. Move on.

That "whitey" video that was due to surface never popped up because it was a lie from the start. The video it would have drawn from showed her asking several pointed questions about Bush, each one beginning with "Why'd he.." which could be possibly misunderstood if you're just looking for something wrong.

IM WITH YOU ON THAT...HERE HERE!!!

Hey don't let lancemonotone see you shouting, you'll be called annoying and your feelings will be hurt. Teehehe

Did Montana just fall off your map? Check under the couch.

Also, you're ignoring the fact that Hillary had name recognition in Florida and no competition in Michigan. The numbers may have been a lot different had both states followed the rules, if the candidates had campaigned in Florida and if Obama's name appeared on the MI ballot - she may have had thousands FEWER in the popular vote, let alone fewer delegates. If you think he would have gotten NOTHING out of MI, well, all I can do is shake my head in sadness.

I have always been registered as an Independent. The only problem you have is not being able to vote in the primary election. There is something wrong when the people vote and the popular vote goes to one person, but the Super Delegates can make the final decision. Maybe I just don't understand politics. It would seem we might need to revamp our voting system.

Well good, vote for McCain- I guess you want to stay in Iraq and probably go to Iran then!!

Nice!

Ellen-for-Obama,
I absolutely agree. What isn't being understood is that those two states decided to act against the party rules and so there were consequences. In any event, if there was compliance to the rules and the voting process was entitled to be treated fairly (Obama on the Mich. balot and campaigning in FL), the numbers would have tallied differently. Many Hillary supporters are looking at the numbers based on the violation of the rules and believe these numbers should be valid. What makes them questionable in the first place goes back to the compliance to the party rules; that didn't happen in Florida and Michigan. On that note, why should they be counted at all? If the voters have a problem with it, they need to take to up with their local states; they are the ones that broke the rules and, they are the ones that the local residents put in to office in the first place.

To me, it sounds like an inner-state problem; the voters and the states reps and senate are trying to point their fingers at the DNC for their mistakes. If the states senate is too incompetent to understand rules and abide, well, that is the problem of the senate. If the voters are media watchers and are too uninformed to choose viable candidates, then, that is the problem of the people. Don't blame the DNC and the rest of us for an inner state problem. My advice would be, people should become more politically involved as to avoid choosing foolish or incompetent people into their senate and, the senate should be more accountable for their mistakes.

Amen to that, Vivian!!!

i feel sorry for u sheep that follow so sadly into the fire how ashamed u will feel from the disapointment of following a sham

Dear Frosty,
We are all aware that eyeswideopen is you. Go back to the Frosty we all know and ignore.
Thank you,
~Me

Well said Vivian!

I strongly advocate diversity in our work industry and politics and I believe that women need to have a rightful and respectful opportunity to be in as high places as the commander and chief; however, I don't agree with Hillary's demeaning, at all cost method of trying to obtain this. Does she realize that this goes against the hard efforts of people like myself that advocate open doors for all genders and races? To advocate that anyone can live up to or exceed the moral guidelines to fulfill many higher positions in our society easily becomes trashed by performing in that manner. That didn't advocate values, honestly and strength; it advocated stubbornness and ignorance.

To be one that approach this issue on a ground-level I can honestly say that it is okay to demonstrate strength but, one must dicipline that strength to maintain a positive and progressive manner. It only helped in the eyes of her supporters but, you must consider, she didn't win the election; for the majority that voted for the opponent, how are they and those of the opposing party view the activity? Many may say it doesn't matter but it should because, those that voted for Barack Obama and for McCain are the majority of Americans; their opinions count as well. And again, it didn't do me any favors as a ground-level advocate for diversity..

In short, like Vivian is saying, the question that haunted women was partially about their ability to deal with authority and maintain a sense of control over psycological and emotional issues was finally being put to rest in the past...did Hillary help this or, dig it back up? I feel as though many years I have contributed to helping to enhance diversity has been instantaneously tossed back into the past! When I ask many of the people I have assisted, many have responded in awe; "What in the hell is she doing." In a society that can be very biased at times, it is very difficult to change old world thinking to accept the fact that women can be just as psycologically, emotionally and physically capable of taking on the kind of hard pounding leadership as a man in this society. Then, to have a significant role model that contradicts this is like fighting a batlle with no cause!

People believe that she still helped. Well, I don't agree. The possible 'idea' of a female commander and chief is no different than many ideas that are possible in a country like America; fact is, making that idea a reality. Anything is always a possibility but, she done a poor job trying to turn that possibility into a reality and, we could not afford this. I hope the dream of diversity in areas such as higher politics and the Commander and Chief is still a great possibility in the minds of Americans when this nomination is over because many of us that advocate diversity don't need to be working ourselves to death to have this work go in vain...

I definately feel it is time to enable a completely diverse society...I just don't advocate and believe in establishing this by the methods performed by Hillary Clinton. In my opinon, I feel it demeans a womans character rather than compliment it. I hope that the women in our society that have the strength, capability, determination and courage to run for president do not let this discourage you from pursuing that dream.. hopefully, I will still be around to support your strong character to make you the first madam President.

I for one, and excited at the prospect of a candidate who isn't tied down with debts to Washington lobbyists and elders. Clinton may have been capable, but she is more of the "same old Washington" that has gotten us nowhere. If she's been working on health care for 16 years, then why is it in worse shape now then ever? $$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you backed Hillary with her "change" speech that she stole from Obama, then why won't you back the candidate that may possibly offer change? Don't attempt to call yourselves democrats. YOU are the opportunists that you accuse Barack of being. You'll only vote democrat if it's Hillary? I've never seen such irresponsible and irrational behavior from voters...except Republicans.

Oh and by the way....He has exactly the same amount of experience in "running the country" as she does.

Ellen, I respect your dedication for Obama.

I'm an undecided Independent and wanted to share my views on the two candidates. I've found (or at least believe) that both Obama and McCain are concerned for the Nation and are not too far off on many important issues. They have very big differences on how they think it best to achieve the changes needed. Granted, they do have some big differences on a few issues currently in the media. I think it's important that these two find a way to work together after the election (one as the President and one as a Senator). They have the potential of finding that middle ground that will unite the Nation once again and fade the lines between polictical parties. I'll be happy with either as President because when it comes down to getting things done, they both want to do so. The problem will come if the Congress doesn't agree. Congress holds much more power than people give them credit for. They are the ones who end up ruining many great initives by people wanting to make a difference. We need to stop adding trash on the tail end of bills when it has nothing to do with the bill. Both parties have a long history of doing this. All the attention is always on the President, but Congress makes life difficult too.