Obama seals historic nomination

I truly agree with Karen. There are ten people on my job who all said either Hillary or they don't vote Democratic. What a shame that the people we put into office cannot see past their noses. How many 911s do we have to have before they open their eyes. Our national security is in danger, as is our way of life. And what do we do ? vote in the man who least can defend us. or the question might be does he want. Have you ever heard of a Muslim changing faith?

Obama is a illigitimate candidate and a illigitimate candidate will bring bad things to country just like W did. this primary election was stolen from Hillary who should be our best candidate to beat Mccain. There are some in the media controlled who want Obama to be democrat candidate to help Mccain win the election in November and keep the WAR in IRAQ going....this country need to wake up or we doomed....Jobs over sea, oil to the roof, housing foreclose at all time high....we need a third party

I agree that the "picked" candidate is a mistake because of experience, or the lack of I should say. I am really tired of being cheated in the elections...popular vote should make the choice, it should not be left up to the chosen few that are suppose to support the candidate we choose but don't have to.

The media has not helped at all and I am really tired of "seeing" the obvious support of all the candidates by the reporters. I miss the old days when reporters reported the news with an unbiased tongue; just the facts!

I am also having a bit of trouble with all the focus on the political support of the churches and the heads of them campaigning/selling from the pulpit. If they plan on do this, they should not be tax free organizations.

In closing, I feel they need to wait until the convention to make a final decision. Sen. Clinton has the popular support, not Sen. Obama and I feel the so called SuperDelegates need to reconsider and vote with the voice of the people as they are suppose to do. If they don't, I don't think the party has a chance in November or in the near future. Having another election stolen from us, and now by our own party, will cause a number of voters to reconsider their party and maybe go independent. My educated and informed decision will not allow me to vote for a candidate with so little experience.

Please explain to me how Hillary Clinton is the better candidate when she DID NOT WIN THE NOMINATION..the very contest that determines without a doubt who is the better candidate. She ran a historic campaign badly, with tens of millions in campaign debt which, no less, her staff are demanding should be paid off by the very person she incurred the debt trying to destroy. How did he "steal" the nomination? How is he "illegitimate"? How? Where are your arguments and evidence in support of this?

Even tonight, this historic campaign took an even greater historic turn as Barack Obama became the first African American to become the nominee of any major party in the U.S....and Hillary could not even bring herself to congratulate him unequivocally..what does this say about her? Selfishness? Self serving narcissism? I really want your opinion.

Whatever their differences, at least they are both democrats. Are you all really suggesting that you would vote for McCain, a republican who does not have a single view in common with either democrat? Really?

What is your problem? Why are you listening to propaganda and blatant lies. Obama IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN MUSLIM!. All these lies, innuendos are ridiculous! You should try to lay aside your prejudices (against Muslims, blacks etc and see that Obama's policies are almost the same as Hillary's. Why are people being so spiteful just because the candidate they wanted did not win????

It truly is dangerous when people who are clearly intelligent insist on believing and continuing to spread horrible rumors. Obama is not a muslim, has never practiced or engaged in the practices of the muslim faith, and has in fact been a member of a christian based church for over 20 years. His father was born into the muslim faith - hence, his name. I know several full blooded americans with muslim sounding names but have never practiced the faith! Lets not let biases and fears overrule common sense and intelligence.

Its going to be very interesting if he is elected President. I wonder how his communist economic policy will work during a recession. I am working on my degree in business right now. I just read how in a capitalist society government has very little to do with business, and lets it work its way out through competition. Then there is communist government who has high tax on business to benefit the government's plans, AKA Obama's plan. People must really be stupid to fall in line behind him. I hope like hell people come to reality and don't vote Obama. I have this to say, for those who support him, research what he wants to do economicly and research what communist do economicly and tell me the difference.

I have just written CNN concerning Anderson Cooper. Anderson has removed CNN from being a premier news channel to being an openly biased and slanted example of television journalism. I have never been able to stomach listening to Rush Limbaugh but after listening to the recent broadcasting of Cooper in the course of the Democratic Primary, I think I could better do so than listen to another inept and frankly stupid phrase out of this mans mouth.
He should have been honest and started each of his broadcasts with an endorsement of Obama instead of the snake in the grass approach he has taken.

For a person going to business school, you should know better than repeat Limbaugh's lines. You are talking about extremes. Neither one of the extremes is good for any society. Not pure capitalism nor communism. Obama is not a communist. One thing is for sure. You are a moron!

The difference is that communism is extreme leftism, at the cost of any individuality and takes away personal property and gives complete autonomy in a state controlled society. The exact opposite of this is what lies extremely to the right, and that is fascism, which takes place when one individual takes control of a body of individuals under the ruse of a common belief or goal (be it religion, race, etc.), and oppresses and suppresses any opposition to that belief and it's pursuit. The democratic party is a "socialist" party, and it is slightly left of center, hence the focus on taxes, and socialism and government support. The republican party is to the right of center and focuses on freedom from over-arching government involvement hampering an individual's capitalistic freedoms economically. These differences are common knowledge, and to call a more "left" policy communism is irresponsible and untrue. Also, Bush has been opposed to large government involvement, and look at how the economy is flirting with the very real possibility of true recession. Absolute capitalism as you learn in business school, and as is historically recognized by philosophers and economists, works in theory if practiced without any outside regulation (such as the absence of minimum wage or any other stipulations on how one may run his or her business). However, too much power has been consolidated in one office (that of the current president), and the private interests of that office. This has lead to a great deal of big-business gains and brokering of power, resulting in the huge squeeze the middle class is feeling at present (some believing that the middle class will eventually disappear if current policies are continued). Both sides of the economic debate have valid points, and there is not perfect plan. However, the best solution most likely lies somewhere in the middle, and the more we can educate ourselves as to the real facts of these issues, the closer we will be to solving many of these issues. No individual is "stupid" because they have an economic view lying somewhat to the left of center, nor is one who believes in the ideals of the somewhat right. Obama's plans are not "communism", but rather a democrat's take on economic agenda. These ideas are nothing new, and have been instituted by past presidents to great effect (Bill Clinton for example). Let's be sure to know what we are proposing before we start throwing around terms like "communism" and calling people stupid.

US democratic politics has finally come full circle. The same party that supported slavery, opposed civil rights, and played the race card during this nomination period, has nominated an Afro-American to be their Presidential nominee.

Congratulations to Senator Obama. Welcome to the US Presidential race!

Obama has never been a Muslim, that is a lie spread by right wing spin artists. You might want to get your facts straight.

Wow, where are you getting your degree, Liberty University Correspondence Courses? (Not that you should be learning political science in business school anyway). In communism, there are no taxes and there is no business, because the government owns all of the means of production and pays everyone. Obama's plan, on the other hand, is to return us to the post-New Deal days when America had a thriving middle class (and economy). Now if you think America was a communist nation between 1940 and 1970, maybe you should take some history courses too.

I don't personally have anything against Obama..but he is not the first black presidential candidate...he has mislead us in trying to make us believe he is black...he is not...he is bi racial...that would be his claim to fame...the first bi racial nominee...My granddaughter is bi racial and knows the difference...personally, if Hillary is not on the ticket he won't get my vote....Hillary is the one who has the guts, determination and leadership qualities to guide this nation....and she has the popular vote....What a shame...we will probably end up with 4 years of McBush!

Thank you polysci, someone who actually has knowledge about what they are talking about!

IT'S SAD TO SEE HOW ONE SIDED YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE. I VOTED FOR BILL BOTH TIMES. I ALSO SAW PROMISE IN OBAMA WELL OVER A YEAR AGO. ITS OBVIOUS THAT MILLIONS OF OTHERS SAW IT TOO. YET FOR SOME REASON THOSE HARD CORE CLINTON SUPPORTERS CANT SEEM TO SEE IT OR THEY DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT FOR A NUMBER OF REASON THAT REALLY DON'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU CLINTON SUPPORTERS VOTED THE LAST 2 ELECTIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU VOTED FOR BUSH EITHER TIME IT WOULD SEEM TO ME YOU COULDN'T TELL A DOG FROM A TRUCK IF IT HIT YOU. GIVE OBAMA A CHANCE JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE GIVEN HILLARY. YOU MIGHT FIND YOUR RUSHING TO JUDGEMENT ON OBAMA.

It's interesting that the super delegates who were placed in this position to protect the party and assure the best candidate was selected for the chance of winning are now the ones making the decision to go against the popular vote and place as the nominee the candidate who actually lost the popular vote. So much for the idea of protecting the interests of the party. The Democrats will lose this year because THEY did the damage.

What type of policy does college studies show of an ALREADY existing billion dollar company that makes RECORD BREAKING earnings in Q3 of a fiscal year ? Would this be a similar policy that has already exists, has cycled and run its course to then just add more fuel(dollars) back to the economy? Check out the thought and theory of it. Businesses that get the breaks now will continue to get the breaks they need whomever in office. We are a business nation, policies, taxes and media (Good or Bad ) That we will Always will be no matter whose in office. Try looking at current condition of economy -- I think its time to change the light bulb here 'cause this one surely is not working any longer.

Not clever for the Democrats - whether one likes it or not this nomination has been sealed by the superdelegates given that both Obama and Clinton had reasonable claims in terms of pledged delegates and the popular vote. And yet the superdelegates who are supposed to make the decision based presumably on chances of winning the general election have gone for the guy who leaves them in a worse position on this front.

Whatever you say about Hillary, she would almost certainly win Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania and thereby seal an overall win. This cannot be said of Obama. See Chuck Todd's analysis of states in play earlier and you can't help but think - what the heck are the Democrats up to? This year should be a shoo-in for them and they are going to blow it.

Hillary was our nation's chance for true change and the Rep's were very scared of her.
Too bad for our country that the majority of voters have no clue about what is going on here.
The laziness of of my fellow citizens to inform themselves with media other then main stream tv and radio, as well as the fear mongering has once more paid off for the Rep's.
My God, now I am so scared, for myself, but even more for my children!

Looks like I won't be voting, I have no options for selection. America cannot live through anther 4 to 8 years with anther Bush Clone. And Obama is change? Just not what we need, changing the color of a package doesn't fix it's contents.

Lets see what comes next, there still is time for the errors to b e fixed.

media attacks ALL candidates equally. the way you are speaking, you want Hillary to win and not the DEMOCRAT party to win. you must not watch FOX

I would have voted for Hilary. I am now forced to vote for McCain. Sorry to dumb democrats that thought Martin Luther King "Jr." (that's all he is) could run a country... great poet with no substance!!!

This will be the first election in my adult life where I will consider not casting my vote. I have no faith in Mr. Obama's capabilities or his words. Hillary Clinton epitomizes everything I believe in. I feel she has the strength, courage, compassion, intelligence, knowledge, and experience that is needed to take this country from the poor situation it is in back to one of prosperity and confidence, and a place of respect in our world community. I only hope that there is something in store for her, something beyond our understanding, where she will make an even bigger impact than she may have done as president. The last time I had this awful feeling before an election was when President Bush was running for president - look where that has led us!

I would have voted for Hilary. I am now forced to vote for McCain. Sorry to dumb democrats that thought Martin Luther King "Jr." (that's all he is) could run a country... great poet with no substance!!!

People died so that you could have the vote. And if all the people like yourself are putting one individual above a party or a country, you really don't deserve that vote.

When two people have been in a closely fought contest, whoever they are, and one has won fairly and squarely, they deserve the support of everyone, especially if they represent their Party. What kind of Democrat are you if you can easily vote for a Republican, like a spoilt child who didn't have his way? Obviously your Democratic 'beliefs' are just skin deep, not even worth the thought. A flip-flopper who changes at the slightest whim when things are not going your way. How shallow you sound. The first sign of character is loyalty and sincerity. Where are yours, and that of others like you who seem to have no scruples when their candidate has lost?

What kind of democracy is based on fear instead of fairness? Perhaps only the one rooted in racism, in the past and in a selfish one-sided notion of true politics.

Very sad, indeed.

I agree. Hillary is by far the better candidate. Obama is a bunch of hot air - all he does is talk, talk, talk, and says nothing. Hillary would have definitely beatern McCain, but Obama doesn't have a chance. The Democrats blew it when they chose Obama and now they're going to have to pay for it with a loss in November.

Why is it Republicans seem to always prefer Hillary? Is it possible she simply is closer to your ideology so you view her as less of threat or more legitimate. The Democrats nominate their candidate and they have chosen Obama; albeit not by an overwhelming margin but roughly 10% is not gray either. If you are a Democrat and you would rather see McCain win because your candidate didn't get the nomination, you must not have lived through the last 8 years I have. If you are a Republican and live the life of Republican (or want to pretend you do) why do you care who the Democratic nominee is? If you are an independent then I expect there are some that will feel as you do, but there are hoards of enthusiastic young voters that will vote simply because Obama is an option.

I am 47 years old and I am truly very happy for Barack Obama. We have just witnessed and seen a tremendous step forward for our nation with supporting it's first ever black American presidential candidate. We have progressed as a nation in just a short time in my life time towards putting race behind us and I am so proud to go forward as an American. However, I am worried that Barack does not have the political backing or experience that is needed to turn our country around at one of it's worse times ever. I believe we need a strong president with years of experience to turn our country around and that is why I supported Hillary Clinton.

Hoping the Democrats lose? If you are a woman, not a good idea. Not if reproductive rights matter to you. Here's the deal: Hillary lost because she voted to authorize the war in Iraq. She has been trying to position herself as a hawk. Millions of women and children have been killed, maimed, and are now homeless in Iraq because of that, not to mention the same being true of 10s of thousands of American soldiers. For additional confirmation, there is her vote against a ban on cluster bombs, the main victims of which are children. Then there was her vote on the Lieberman Amendment to declare the Iranian National Army a terrorist organization, in the middle of Bush's self declared "War on Terror." Her comments about the sniper fire in Bosnia, not a mistake, but carefully planned and oft repeated, to reinforce the idea that she has some experience that would qualify her to be Commander in Chief. Killing people to get elected, while a tried and true method, is unforgivable. Barack Obama has offered to make that part of the politics of the past and I pray he will leave Clinton's self serving tactics behind us.

I agree with Karen. I also think it's very sad that people are so sexist that they would choose a man over a woman. Woman are the real slaves and has been forever all over the world. Whether he's black, orange or purple. They like war. I can't wait for Obama to show his true colors. You can't get away from your mentor and your church. That's impossible to change. The press was so biased. We needed a woman to change America and Hillary is that woman. She's strong and I greatly admire her. Hillary didn't lose. America did.

@3.13

Obama has never been a Muslim, that is a lie spread by right wing spin artists. You might want to get your facts straight.

The problem is that it's a lie that is easy for lazy people to believe. A minute of research is all it takes to prove it wrong.

I disagree with you. I believe that Obama would be the better candidate in the race. Obama from day one hasn't put Hilary Clinton down nor brought his own personal feelings about her into this race. If you are a Democrat as well as me we'll be better off if Obama wins. There's no way this country will be able to progress if we have another Republican in office for yet another 4 or 8 years. Hilary had my vote at first but until she played dirty and made this campaign about herself and not the people of America. If I were Obama I wouldn't trust her as far as I can throw her to be my running mate. If Hilary would have treated this election as a stand against the Rep. and not against her own party running mate then there would be two Democrats up for office right now. There is no way in hell I would vote if it was between two republicans! But now shes set herself at a disadvantage because she was only thinking about herself and not what her and Obama could have done together whether either one of them won. Now of course she wants to join him but too little too late if you ask me. She would try to take over as women do and I can say that because I am a woman and I know personally. Then shes too damn emotional! Stop crying and get work done! OBAMA is going to get my vote come election day hands down!

I will never vote for Obama. Hillary was the best candidate for us. If she can't be pres. I'll vote for McCain and take my chances. If OBama was pres. I can see Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson as fixtures or who knows what else at the White House. Maybe even a cabinet position. No way....I'll take my chances with McCain.

Whoa there girls. A democrat is better than a republican. Lets not let the GOP convince us otherwise. I hope that little green horn has sense enough to select her for vp but if not - Vote Democratic anyway. That is what Hillary would want us to do!

Karen is right. he is not the best of the two. she got pounded by the media and they got away with it. this popular vote thing has to be fixed. it it meaningless and a joke. I'll vote for him, only to oppose j.m. In America, personality comes first, substance and brains comes second. good luck yawl.

When Tiger Woods is to Golf, Barrack O'Bama looks as promising as Woods did when he tuned pro !

You couldn't have said it better!

@Jazzer

Karen is right. he is not the best of the two. she got pounded by the media and they got away with it. this popular vote thing has to be fixed. it it meaningless and a joke. I'll vote for him, only to oppose j.m. In America, personality comes first, substance and brains comes second. good luck yawl.

This is worth reading again and again. If it were not for Edwards and Obama forming the "boy's club" Hillary would have won a long time ago. It makes me sick how they ganged up on her and the media just sat by and did nothing. It hurt her, it showed, and then the Obama boys laughed. That's ok: What goes around comes around and it is not over till the fat lady sings: and she ain't sung yet! I will vote for Obama if he gets in, with or without hillary. But I will laugh ever time McCain knocks the snotty kid down!

All of the above pro-Hillary, Anti-Obama rants are very disingenuous, at best. These ridiculous statements are much more likely the words of republicans who think they can somehow capitalize on a misprecieved division among democrats. Just ignore these Rush Limbaugh "operation chaos" operatives. THe democrats will have a victory in November unlike any that has been seen before. Don't be fooled, the far right is well aware that we democrats are poised to own the white house, the senate and the house of Representatives for many, many years to come.

@Montanajones: I agree with you. I used to vote republican. I never will again. But I don't like Obama and I have good insight in the situation because if Bush had not fouled the GOP, I would not vote for Obama, period. I will vote for him because things are really bad. But I may change my mind. At least McCain is honest, does not act like a "cool dude" and is older than my children! Obama is childish and has just stayed a hair ahead of hillary. I recommend you get off your high horse.

He showed his true colors last night, but I guess you were not watching.
I was never more proud of Barack Obama then I was last night. Not so much because he won but because of the humbleness and graciousness in his actions and in his speech.

To me that speech says volumes of what and who he is.
He was gracious and kind to both his opponents Hilary and McCain.

He could have spoken negatively about both of them but instead he was kind and gracious.
While McCain's speech was about bashing Barack and Hilary's speech was focused on
self and her accomplishments, Barack's speech was about the AMERICAN people of all races and ethnic groups. He was humble and true, and his presidency will demonstrate all of what he has been saying. If you did not hear it I am sorry for you.

That speaks volumes to American people weather they know it or not.
And further definition of who he is, is not necessary (it was there). Sorry you missed it but keep watching because you will see it again and again.

SO true!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh please.......... For every person who is "saying" they wont vote Obama 2 are saying the wouldn't vote Clinton.
Hillary is not on the ticket for a reason. I think you will find more of us who wont vote for Obama if hes dumb enough to put Hillary on his ticket.
She is a very rude person who has proven that she will do anything to be President.
How long do you think Obama would live with Hillary as his VP??????????

I think I'm gonna spit up.

I so much agree that once again...a woman takes a "back seat" to a man. I don't care if he is white, black, yellow, green or orange. It is a man and the same mentality goes on and on and on in this country. That men are the leaders of the free world. Take a look at the whole mess that Bush and other men have made of this nation. This country was founded by white men and it still holds. As a professional, highly educated woman in America, I have seen and experienced absolute sexism in the workplace. I fear that the new generation of women are turning back the clock to the 1950's and not seeing their full potential in society. Hillary was an outstanding candidate and a person, not just a woman, who has a proven record of accomplishments over the span of her 40 years in politics. As a native New Yorker, Clinton has been an outstanding U.S. Senator for the state. She has a track record.

And, I am appalled at how the political stations, such as CNN and MSNBC, with the exception of Anderson Cooper (who, in my opinion, has always been respectful of the political process), have all be so SEXIST against Hillary Clinton from the beginning of her campaign. These wealthy white male journalists have the gall to become spokesmen for Obama. They do not dare to critique "the new democrat". They fear of being a racist rather than a male chauvinist pig.

I am a strong Democrat, but I will not be able to pull the lever for Obama. He has no history in terms of accomplishments on the national and international front. That is a fact. No way around it. I look at the experience of a candidate, not "how they look" or "if I would want them as my friend". So many people looked at Clinton and simply said, "I don't like her". Very few ever took a good, hard look at her credentials. Last evening was a very sad time for women in America. Eleanor Roosevelt was probably quietly shaking her head in heaven.

So, onto the presidential campaign. Let's see where middle Democratic America turns to now for their candidate.

The unprecedented number of individual contributors to Obama's campaign negate your arguments. People of your view are in the minority amongst Hillary's supporters (follow my seed.) Thank goodness. This is not about Clinton's rights - or Obama's, for that matter. It's about us Americans and our urgent need to take back the White House.

Ok I know every ones more than a little upset things didn't go the way they wanted them to but why would anyone in their right mind allow the repubs to continue their reign of terror like a spoiled 2 year old destroying everything in their path. Think about it!

Ellen, let me buy you a clue. The White House HAS belonged to all of us for the last seven years. Get over the fact that Bush won the last two elections. Don't you think if there were a real case someone would have filed it?

Peggy Noonan is on TV. Botoxed to the gills. Still beating Hillary as if she knew better.
She's really an aging reporter for a newspaper that is moving to this space. She is no longer important. Please find a way to remove her status as one who issues truth. TV is tacky enough without people my age issuing encyclicals outlining divine truth. A pope she ain't.

Journalists are not experts on anything except word play. I think that we should listen to real experts in the field instead of the news icons.

I absolutely agree with you. This has to be one of the Democrats biggest mistakes, if not the biggest.
There is no way I will ever vote for BO. If he chooses Hillary as his running mate the chances of me voting for him only increase to 50/50.
In November I will write in Hillary's name since there is no way I can vote for McCain even though I think he would be better than BO.

I USED to be a Democrat but those days are over. America Voted for Hillary but the "Super Delicate" Did not I don't know how many times I heard a "Super Delicate say they were supporting Obama just because their teen age kids were I don't remember voting for a teen age kid. I believe Kennedy SOLD his support to Obama for a Kennedy VP slot and now that Kennedy's niece is on the VP search committee I'm sure one of her cousin will be VP. Kennedy's own State voted Hillary but they don't care what we voted If you sheep want to support some one who's ONLY experience is RUNNING for Election be my guest but don't call me a racist or think I don't want America to change You can HOPE for change all you want but it takes experience to make it happen

I agree Brian, I would be more inclined to support the man if all of his supporters were not so naive. Any time you see them supporting them at a public event, its more like an Usher concert than a speech. Nobody ever questions him on his big flip flops like they did Kerry. Obama said this week that Iran was a grave threat that must be addressed. It was not even two weeks ago he said the opposite. He said that Iran was not a threat and that we were blowing it out of proportion. Where is the media on that crap? The press is too busy reporting on the beauty of him being able to say change like a doll with a string on it. His wife wrote a paper a Princeton about the blacks standing up against white America, it has been held by Princeton until after the election, I wonder why....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp

I am not voting for Obama. If McCain is not good enough, I won't vote at all. Hillary will be back to run again. And next time, she will win!

I agree 100% with your comments. I am so disgusted by what happened I am staying home!!! Barak "big ears" Obama, what a joke!!!

In a nut shell the popular vote doesn't count as the end all to beat all. The electoral college was devised so that (Way back in the days of illiterates) educated people would have the power to over ride the votes of their states peoples if they had the good judgement to see that a candidate was paying for votes, railroading folks for votes or in anyway felt that the *masses* were plainly not informed enough to cast the properly informed vote. I must say that the masses still are not properly informed but more than a black man making history it is also the fact that even though this man has nearly zero experience he looks great in speedo and gives a great speech. This is all that's required to become President these days.
If we changed our system you one man one vote, the candidates would only have to travel to New York City, LA, Miami and maybe Huston. With those millions of votes why would they even need to bother with small towns like mine which has one small church that dares to ring it's bell on Sundays mornings defying the UCLA to move an atheist here to lodge a complaint? They wouldn't. That is your answer. Believe me, I went to LA for my first and last vacation in that state. And I had this eerie sensation to say. "Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore*.

I think the electoral college had it's place at the time and now should be done away with. I like Obama, but I like Hilary, too. You think, though, that we would have learned our lesson the last time this happened with the popular vote and we didn't go with it. What a mess that has made of our country. I hope it works out this time. But until the whole system is changed I don't think the bi-partisan problem can really be fixed. When a Democrat gets into office his hands will be tied.

The reason that Hillary has the "popular vote" in the primary season is that caucuses are NOT counted in that popular vote, since there is no way to tell how many wanted which candidate.

I wish Mrs. Clinton would stop using this as an excuse to not concede. Obama won fair and square. There is no other way around it.

i cant believe what im reading in here. How is Obama not qualified, because Hillary didnt win people are going to vote for McCain? this is terrible. Who mentioned that there are more delegates in African American districts? that is not true. Obama is a good person a good senator and race and gender should not matter in a country where people are trying to put aside racial issues clearly what im hearing in this chat room emphasizes that race is STILL an issue. I like Hillary it to me is hard to pick between the two. Both of them are good candidates, combine with Al Gore and Jon Edwards and this is a pretty formidable presidential cabinet. It is time for change in this country and Hillary is gonna be a part of that change. People in here need to stop thinking about what is best fot them and think about what is best for our country that means all races and colors and creeds we dont need to repeat what we have been going through for the last 8 years.

Obama's track record invalidates the statement that he is"hot air", and his victory in the primaries proves that he is not an "illegitimate" candidate. What he has achieved as a multiracial American citizen in both his personal and political life, including his great accomplishments with his education, as well as his organizational success in the South side of Chicago and his entire political career to date are the result of hard work and true vision. Hillary Clinton has broken barriers, and the numbers prove that beyond any debate (the democratic candidate with the most individual votes of any other to date), and frustration over her loss of the nomination should not cloud these facts. Clinton and Obama are both well-educated, persistent, and hard-working individuals, and both should be respected for what they have accomplished and will continue to accomplish for our country. Let it also not be forgotten that Clinton won the popular vote only due to the full inclusion of her votes in Michigan where the Democrats had mutually agreed not to campaign, and her name was the only one on the ballot. Obama has won the nomination through superb organization, consistent stances on issues (sometimes in the face of many naysayers on both sides of the political divide), and a commitment to the future of America as a country rather than his own personal acknowledgement. It is for these reasons that he has become the presumptive democratic nominee, and it would be foolhardy to attribute his victory to a "biased media" or a "robbing" of Clinton's nomination bid. The media will always focus on candidates and discuss any available talking points to achieve ratings, and I believe it is fair to say that Obama has had his fair share of negative press over the course of this primary. Also, no candidate for President of the United States of America has ever been perfect, nor has any president to date been without flaws of some sort (as Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy himself show). However, let us show enough respect and intelligence to debate and disagree on points of truth as to all candidates' strengths and weaknesses, not false rumors spread by radical organizations, or talking points that are based in blatant lies. No matter what way you look at this upcoming general election, or which side of the political fence you inhabit, this race has been, and will continue to be, one for the record books. We should be proud of the fact that we as American citizens care enough to show our involvement by turning out in record numbers in these primaries, energizing a stale political environment, and taking the time to discuss our hopes and dreams with one another all across the country.

what is it exactly that Obama had accomplished in his short time as a senator? Could someone please tell me. And please research it instead of spreading what the press has said.

In his time as senator he has not had the amount of time necessary to make the kinds of differences that long time senators had (A la Kennedy or Daschle). I was referring more to the respect he has earned due to his willingness to work with both parties and his consistent ideas politically (not perfect by his own admission, but consistent in the realm of politics). Also, I have read Obama's books and taken the time to look at all the candidates. I am not just repeating the words of the press, just expressing facts (which the press do actually use sometimes haha). You are right in stating that he has been a senator for a short amount of time, and the progress on paper is not as significant as those who have had more time. Like I said, I was speaking more to the respect he's garnered in that short period of time and his record. His biggest strengths lie in his organizing accomplishments, and his dedication to public service when he could easily milk the private sector with his outstanding Colombia and Harvard education.

tlg, you can ask that very same question of Hillary. remember she became NY senator because the state allows non-resident to get elected first day and buy time to run for president. she didn't become senator to serve the people of NY. obvious she has no roots since she would have returned there to become senator there (say AK).

How is Obama not qualified, because Hillary didnt win people are going to vote for McCain? this is terrible. Who mentioned that there are more delegates in African American districts? that is not true. Obama is a good person a good senator and race and gender should not matter in a country where people are trying to put aside racial issues clearly what im hearing in this chat room emphasizes that race is STILL an issue.

Precisely, Chris, well said. That is the saddest observation about some of the comments on this thread. No one knows too much about Senator Obama so the very least he deserves is to be given the opportunity to show what he can do. To be judged on his actual deeds, not his intentions. I was not a supporter of Hillary Clinton. But if she were the one on the winning podium today, I would be cheering her on for winning the nomination and getting on with the job. But I guess it takes mature, intelligent minds to see that the individual is never above a country and that coming together as one people for the common good in an election is far more important than playing silly politics, and indulging in covert racism, at the expense of our children.

what is it exactly that Obama had accomplished in his short time as a senator? Could someone please tell me. And please research it instead of spreading what the press has said.

tlg Find out yourself you got access to the net lazy git

actually I already researched it mars chatterton and not impressed, his voting record in the senate is very lackluster. He might be ready for the presidency in 4 years but not right now.

Sorry tlg for taking my anger out on you (got really angry with some of these childish comments - you know i'm not voting cos hes not female etc).

My anger clouded my judgement and missinterpret you post (thought you were asking not implying) Hope you will accept my apology

apology accepted mars chatterton, I have nothing against the man to be honest he has not been around that long and I just don't think he is ready for the presidency at this time it has nothing to do with his race, age or the fact that people allege he is muslim. Simply not enough experience. To be honest I don't think any of the candidates are a viable option but what do you do? I don't believe that anyone can change the state of our country at this time no matter what their saying or promising. But campaign promises isn't that what they all do?

Alittlebird chirps:

Obama's track record invalidates the statement that he is"hot air", and his victory in the primaries proves that he is not an "illegitimate" candidate. What he has achieved as a multiracial American citizen in both his personal and political life, including his great accomplishments with his education, as well as his organizational success in the South side of Chicago and his entire political career to date are the result of hard work and true vision.

This is why I believe Obama will lose. Descriptions of Senator Obama's accomplishments and achievements go no deeper than generic fluff.

It takes actual accomplishments to prove you have what it takes to be the leader of the free world. This is Obama's rather large handicap when running against Senator McCain. It could cripple the Democratic bid.

But campaign promises isn't that what they all do?

Quite right tlg, they promise the earth to get your vote then whoever gets in nothing changes. It is going to take at least 20 years to undo all the neo cons work domestic and abroad and I am being generous here

It takes actual accomplishments to prove you have what it takes to be the leader of the free world.

You can't be serious??!!?? Why hold Obama to standards that the sitting president doesn't meet? This is a job whose very nature makes assessing any individual's potential to succeed in it haphazard at best. What experience do you select for, when the position requires you to deal with everything from global warming, homeland security, energy policy, health care, foreign terrorists, domestic terrorists, economic issues, and who knows what...out of the blue, like super-flu or alien invasion, or just a big hurricane or volcanic explosion.

Think Obama would react to planes hitting buildings like Bush did?

How about being a governor for a major state for several years. How about running a company or a baseball team, even if done badly.

What exactly has Obama done as an executive? Hell, I dont even think he runs his family...

Even if done badly....jeezus. Aren't negative assessments supposed to disqualify candidates for positions?

Anyway, as to what has Obama done as an executive....how about lead a surprise bid for Democratic Party nominee for President of the U.S.A. to victory against one of the most cut-throat, well-funded, highly-organized political oppositions in our history? Sounds kind of like inspiring leadership to me....and that's what the executive spot is all about, right? Leadership?

I'll take a newly minted leader that's still proving himself over an experienced leader whose record clearly shows him to run things badly....

I find it extremely disappointing when I read that just because Hillary did not win the democratic presidential nomination that people are going to vote for McCain who they feel stands for something. I, personally, do not trust McCain to be our next president. From what I have read, McCain seems to have a shady past and is a hothead who can act impetuously. Furthermore, McCain as president means another four years of Bush's unsuccessful policies. Obama, on the other hand, seems level-headed, open-minded and has the ability to bring people together as well as arouse them to want to actively participate to change things for the better. In my opinion, Obama has the character, knowledge and skill to succeed as our next president.

They broke the rules and Hillary was the only person on the ballot in Michigan and the only candidate to campaign in Florida. Saying that Obama has to beat every vote that Hillary got when she broke rules and was the only choice in one case is ridiculous. He has followed the rules and won. I do agree that the process needs to be improved, that would definitely save the American people many questions and frustrations and make it more sensible.

aLittlebird..you need to get your facts right..The state of Florida changed the primaries NOT the Democrates...I guess Obamas wife is once again proud to be an american?? The US should be afraid of her..

Michelle has the right to change her opinion much like Hillary has many many times to win the audience of the day too. Hillary had her chance to make change during the Clinton presidency and failed so don't think she gonna make much change now. Need new blood and new ideas that is inspirational which Obama clears demostrated. With wisdom from other source that Obama will have access to, this is the thing good for the country!

she broke rules and was the only choice in one case is ridiculous. He has followed the rules and won.

That's exactly it. One thing was decided about those two states and Hillary still went against that decision and ran on the ballot, then expected it to be counted in her favour. A case of having her cake and eating it, as usual? It really is time for that old Michigan/Florida chestnut to be buried.

I've been a Democrat all my life. I marched in the streets for NOW and hold strong beliefs for women's rights. HOWEVER...when it comes to running for national office, no one is "owed" anything. Hillary Clinton and Co. came into the race believing it was her due...and despite all their string-pulling...she didn't make it. She was outdone, blindsided by a voice that resonated with more voters, delegates, caucuses, etc. Had she made the grade, I am one woman who would have sat on her hands rather than vote for Hillary. Study the woman, dig into her background, read her facial expressions, her body language. She sealed her own fate with false tears, a drink in a bar, and a reminder to every red-neck of the possibility of another Bobby Kennedy incident. And you people want that for your president? She's your idea of what America is about? So sad!

MsCyprah and aLittlebird, you are both misinformed. Neither candidate campaigned in MI or FL and Obama willingly took his name off the MI ballot even though he did not have to and in fact 30% or so of the votes in MI were for uncommitted with the intention of being for Mr. Obama. Just because Hillary got 70% of the vote in FL did not mean she campaigned there. Most people who vote pay more attention to the news than campaigns you know.

@LeLe123: I remember her speeches from Florida. Also, Obama's name was not on the ballot, he did not ask that it be removed. What do you mean?

MsCyprah and aLittlebird, you are both misinformed. Neither candidate campaigned in MI or FL and Obama willingly took his name off the MI ballot even though he did not have to and in fact 30% or so of the votes in MI were for uncommitted with the intention of being for Mr. Obama. Just because Hillary got 70% of the vote in FL did not mean she campaigned there. Most people who vote pay more attention to the news than campaigns you know.

HRC won 50% of the vote in FL, not 70%. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#FL

Of course, CNN is only reporting 99% of precincts so far, so if that last 1% comes in and gives her 20% more that what she already has, I'll stand corrected.

You are right that Obama willingly took his name off the ballot in MI, and would have done the same in FL if the rules allowed him too. Don't you think a candidate should take his or her name off the ballot in an election that the party has deemed illegitimate?

Not this female in the white house. As a women who is an Obama supporter, I was always put off by the assumption of many, including Hillary, that just because I'm female she had my vote locked in. That's a ridiculous argument. And Hillary did more to hurt future female candidates tonight than help them. Now the stereotype has been enforced that women don't know how to quit, be gracious losers, etc. This should have been a historic night for Obama and the country and she did everything she could to ruin it and steal the spotlight for herself. Yuck. No more Clintons in the White House.

Just so you know a few fact's Hillary Clinton fought for health care for all American's in the 90th, but no one wanted a woman telling them what to do. Hillary has not hurt anybody in the future, because their are far and few women who could have put up with this bashing and walked away, women fight everyday to keep their children fed clothes on their back's and Hillary has shown such grace, but I also want you to know that Obama is biracial he had a white mother and a father from Kenya, so this racial issue should be laid to rest..

Obama is the first candidate of color to win the democratic nomination. Whether he is black or multiracial is truly arguing semantics. He is a colored man, he has color in him, and no other presumptive nominee can claim that.

The simple fact, is that Hilary Clinton is not the right woman to lead other great women in our American today. As a man in todays America, i am sick of seeing this old baby boomers who are so power hungry that they often forget those who put them in place. i would have love to see another woman but Mrs. Clinton. She did not choose to run because she wants to carry a touch for the women folks, or has any curse to see that Middle America is cared for, she ran because the Clinton family wants to establish their legacy and be another Bush running the U.S.A. She is self serving , no charm, no motherly reflection that people need to see, to feel comfortable and by God, did she learn the old politics well. Unfortunately, this is a new world , and we want a change, a change for the better. hopefully, this will motivate more women out there , who are more suitable, to show up and jumping in the race next time.

yes, Hillary supposedly fought for health care back in the 90s and what makes you think she can fight for it now? Obama clearly a nobody demostrated that he has the organizational and inspirational skills to successfully raise money the new way (small amounts at a time, which Hillary finally caught on and changed to when she started to pile up a big debt which is a preview of how she would run the country into debt) and Obama became known through the campaign trail.

The white house doesn't need a woman to solve anything. It needs a conscientious person who loves the citizens of this country and is not self-centered, egotistical, deceitful and an outright liar like Hillary.

Hear, hear, for that. That's at the heart of the this election.

The white house doesn't need a woman to solve anything. It needs a conscientious person who loves the citizens of this country and is not self-centered, egotistical, deceitful and an outright liar like Hillary.

This is truly sadest of all.... explain to me HOW a niave, unexpereinced stateman like Obama is "conscientious"? He exemplifies "self-centered, egotistical, deceitful" by NOT bein gproud of what he is... and that IS NOT that of an "African American man", but of a man who has BOTH white and black parents (not a black man with a white mother... WHO raised him).

Until this god awful country and it representatives are honest about WHO they are and where they came from, we will be like every other great civilization in the world; after 300 yrs or so, nothin gmore than a passage in a history book. People have said all along that this is or isn't about race... but read his books, truly listen to HIS words (not the ones the speech writers have written) and you will see the snake oil bright and clear.

What this counrty DOES need is a woman (after all, she DID win the POPULAR vote... but as american's, we aren't bright enough to make a choice so we go that whole electoral/delegate route again... WOW! They did SUCH a great job last time, lol!); I know of A LOT of the people here in DC that could use a GOOD @ss whipping and time out! But, my vote now goes to experience, even if it isn't for the right candidate in some eyes... the FIRST time in my life as a voter. Sad, sad, sad.... If I can't vote for Hillary, I either don't vote or vote McCain..... wher are WRITE IN'S when we need them??????

As a 53 year old woman, sorry you feel betrayed...I don't. The vote for a woman was not at issue in this primary election, it was a vote for THIS WOMAN!!!! Did you know about Travelgate, do you know that Maggie Williams ( Hillary's current campaign manager) actually removed records, from Vince Foster's office after he was found dead.... Hillary has no ethics!!!! A vote against her was not a vote against women in general. Some women are aware and informed, we made an informed choice. Did you know that when Bill and Hillary moved from our White House they took everything???? Do you care, or do we just put her back in the white because she is a woman? Some of us just don't trust Hillary or Bill enough of the Clinton's!!!!

She is just the wrong woman!

Oddy,

Did you know every outgoing president took things from the white house too? Did you know other presidents had affairs in office as well? Do you know what CYA means and that it is practiced in every administration and every political office as well as every business office for that matter since the beginning of politics and business? Hillary, Bill, Obama and McCain, they are ALL politicians. They all have flaws. And to be honest, those things you listed, no I don't care. I care more that she worked for health care; that while she was on the board of Walmart she was a pain in their sides about women's rights within the company. I care that she spoke out for women's rights as human rights in China even though she was advised not to. I care that she is ambitious because women need to understand that what it takes to run for president and be a serious contender is ambition. Women at every point of political power are called cold, calculating, unethical, and power hungry because they are viewed as too ambitious. You see only the negatives, I see them too, but I also see all the positive things that Hillary Clinton has done and I think they far outweigh what you've listed.

I don't care what color he is, Obama is still a man and it makes me feel as if Hillary Clinton's "barrier breaking" campaign didn't break any barriers. This country still won't accept a woman in a position of power and I feel personally betrayed by every woman that voted against her. M ost of our countries problems with health care education and war - the war in Irac , the war on poverty, the war on drugs stem from too much testosterone and this country would be so much better off with a female in the White House.

That's like blaming another of this country's problems on too much estrogen... I don't think that would go over too well if an Obama supporter made that claim.

Do you think that women should have voted for Clinton just because she's a woman, whether they believe in her or not? Do you think that black people should have voted for Obama just because he's black? What about black women?

The fact of the matter is that the election was Hillary's to lose, and it doesn't have to blamed on sexism in order for it to be understood. You could blame it on her poor management of her campaign, which resulted in her losing Iowa, winning Nevada but losing by one delegate, losing 11 straight contests in February, firing her campaign manager in the middle of the campaign, finding out that one of her senior advisers was lobbying for a treaty that she claimed to opposed, etc. Maybe you could blame it on her running out of money with over a dozen contests left. Why pick sexism?

PattySL
Will you vote for John McCain? Will you not vote and in essense vote for the ones you oppose?

Unfortunely you not only sound naive about the voting process, but you sound like a racial bigot, as well. If you want to accuse any body of gerimandering, look no further than the Republican Party. They've done plenty of it all over this country in order to maximize the Republican presence in voting districts from coast to coast. What you fail to see in Senator Obama is greatness. Spend some time actually LISTENING to the man instead of sulking and feeling sorry for yourself because your pick didn't get the nomination. There is more at stake than your bruised ego here. We have an opportunity to elect a man who can do A LOT to heal the colossal damage done to this country by Bush & Co. over the last God-forsaken 8 years. Don't you dare throw your precious vote away because you've decided having a hissy fit is more important than exercising the most valuable right you have as a citizen. Selfish, miopic people like you are why the George Bushes of the world get put into office and cause so much damage. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself!

PattySTL,

I hope that this is a knee-jerk reaction to what transpired earlier this evening. I'm willing to give any person who has followed this tightly-fought primary the benefit of the doubt. I for one would've voted for Hillary irregardless of whether Obama had won the nomination. Speaking of nomination, you said the nominating system is unfair, in which I agree with because the NOMINATING PROCESS needs to be changed.

But then you went on to say that the nominating system unfairly gave more delegates to African-American districts, which is profoundly inaccurate. And the reason being is because throughout the history of the Democratic party dating back to the 60's, African-Americans have been unarguably the most reliable group to vote Democrat in every election. Ask any Democratic politician and they will tell you the same.

There's NOTHING unfair about the way Democrats have chosen to place delegates. You cannot justify giving a heavily Republican district the same number of delegates as a heavily Democratic district. That simply doesn't make any sense. So, please learn your history before you begin down a merit-less path. Patty, I do hope you reconsider your vote, because every vote is important, but if you don't then I am glad you don't speak for all of Hillary's 18 million supporters.

DavidRochelle,
Thank you for being informed and not letting in the moment frustration cloud your senses. More than any candidate, the platform is what counts. And Hillary and Obama are nearly identical on most issues. Fact. McCain is not at all the same, and voting for him just because Hillary didn't win would be voting for a platform that is the complete opposite of what either an Obama or Hillary supporter was actually supporting. Thank you for clarifying the district mistruth, and I agree the nominating process needs work.

Can I just point out that the nominating system that is "so unfair" was heavily shaped by the Clintons and their supporters at the DNC. Hillary Clinton's loss can only be blamed on her staff who served her horribly by running a strategy based on the wrong set of rules! Her campaign manager didn't realize that the Democratic primaries are not winner-take-all until he was corrected during a meeting in January. And even then, he didn't change their basic strategy! That kind of idiocy in your campaign manager will guarantee a loss every time. Their plan was to push for all the big states, ignore those pesky little caucus states, and win it all by February 5. Blaming this loss on the system is like making up your own game, teaching someone to play it with you, and then getting angry if they beat you at it.

lay the unfounded assumption to rest. Stop the fuzzy maths, ridiculous popular vote claim from state that she agreed not to count. Thank God i wont have to listen to her whining and spasm gesture for the next 4 years. keep your vote, its a free country.

I totally agree with you, it's a shame that our country would even allow Obama to run for President when he would not dare salute to our flag and he doesn't believe in God, I guess he believes that his Buddha created him. Obama is a racist and his intentions are to help Africa just as he stated in one of his speeches, just wait you'll see that he is not for this country at all. He may have people fooled with his church, but even that shows he's a racist as no whites are allowed in his church. I also think it's so funny whenever someone is half black and half white for some odd reason they are considered black. Although I really believe he is a Muslim. Hopefully Americans will open their eyes and ears and really listen and take note to what Obama is really aiming for and not vote for him to be our President because they want change but the change we're going to get will not be in the best interest for our fellow Americans. Hillary would have been the best President for this country, she ran this country along with her husband and they did a fantastic job together. Look at it now Bush took up where is Father left off, and really screwed things up. Well if Obama gets in office just watch what a bigger mess he'll make.

Okay, so let me get this straight. He's a Buddhist.... he's a Muslim... he's a Christian ...

Where did you get that no whites are allowed in his church? UCC is a predominantly white denomination - this just happens to be a congregation on the SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO, which is a black neighborhood.

The only reason that he wouldn't be "allowed" to run for office is if he were too young or not born here. Otherwise, everyone has a right to run for office, whether that be president or dogcatcher (not that I've ever heard of anyone actually RUNNING for dogcatcher, but it's something that's said).

John McCain as the alternative to Barack would continue the failed policies of George W. Bush (who actually makes his father look like a rocket scientist). The only things we agree upon are 1) Bush is a screw-up and 2) Bill Clinton did a fantastic job. To suggest that people NOT vote for Obama because of your screwed-up perceptions of his religious beliefs would guarantee a continuation of the Bush legacy and complete destruction to what is left of the Clinton legacy.

Patty, you forget to mention that it is also unfair to count MI where only one candidate was on the ballot and FL where candidate didn't campaign since the DEM party leaders chose to break the rules knowing they would be disqualified.

For those of you who passionately support Hillary, I dare say your candidate would have taken the support of the superdelegates had they all fallen in line behind her. If it was not for her own personal wealth, this race would have been over months ago. Voting for McBush is beyond stupid. If you are as passionate about removing the Bush brand from office and getting our kids out of Iraq and getting the economy moving again as you are about Hillary, voting for McBush is not logical. If you can look in the mirror and say that voting for McBush would be the best thing to move the country forward, you have my deepest sympathies. Even Hillary has said to not vote for McBush.

I agree that the Democrats made a BIG MISTAKE. I don't know how many elections they need to lose before they wake up and realize it. No matter who I speak to whether its in a grocery store restaurant or where ever the general public has the same thought - this election was slanted. between the media and the super delegates WHO should have voted with their states come November it will go back to the Republicans, and the Democrats will scratch their heads and wonder what went wrong ! They wanted Hillary out, now it's over for Obama. Now he will fight to reinstate full delegate votes and visit Michigan many times over TO HEAL AND TRY AND GET THE FOOLS TO VOTE FOR HIM. I, LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE , WANT TO KNOW WHY HE DIDN'T FIGHT IN THE PRIMARY FOR OUR VOTE TO COUNT, NOT AFTER!!!!!!!!!!! When all is said and done Obama will show his true colours and the Democrats DESERVE TO LOSE in November.

ALL YOU HILLARY SUPPORTERS NEED TO STEP OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE'S AND STOP THINKING YOUR LADY GOT SCREWED. DIDNT HAPPEN. BOTH PARTIES WERE AWARE BEFORE THE PRIMARYS STARTED WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH MICH AND FLORIDA. SO IF YOU HAVE A @!$%# WITH HOW IT WAS HANDLED YOU MIGHT START WITH YOUR CANIDIDATE (HILLARY) SHE DIDNT COMPLAINT UNTIL DEAFEAT WAS IN HER EYES, THEN SHE CRIED TILL EVERYONE BELIEVED HER STORY. STORY AFTER STORY WAS MADE UP ABOUT OBAMA TRYING TO DESTROY HIM, HE WAS EVEN BLAMED FOR HIS MINISTER'S STUIPD COMMENTS, HE STILL OVERCAME THOSE AND THE REASON IS REAL SIMPLE.... PEOPLE WANT CHANGE WE ARE SICK OF THE WAR, HIGH GAS PRICES, CEO'S MAKING MILLIONS SETTING ON THEIR REARS DOING LITTLE TO NOTHING BUT LAYING PEOPLE OFF. ANYONE REMEMBER NAFTA AND WHO SUPPORTED IT!!!!. 20 YEARS OF BUSH'S AND 1 CLINTON IS ENOUGH FOR THIS COUNTRY. OBAMA WILL WIN THE ELECTION UNLESS YOU PEOPLE REALLY DONT CARE ABOUT THE DIRECTION OUR COUNTRY IS HEADING --- MCCAIN IS ALL OF THAT!!!!!!!!

No-one should be able to tell anyone how they should feel. There is no magic wand to wave for all the problem's that America is having, and everyone who think's Obama has this magic wand, need's to live in the real world, we brought on the high gas prices by not driving car's that get good gas mileage, we knew this was coming yet we kept on and now you think that one person is going to make it better? Not in the real world, what we are going to get is higher taxes. The government is not for the little people. So get off that cloud you are on. America has some very bad thing's going on right now.

I have to say I am glad that I am not a member of the democratic party. You have the DNC that is saying the American people arent' smart enough to know who to vote for so therefore we will pick "superdelegates" to help them. What happened to your vote meaning something. What's the use in voting. I agree with Amy and there is no candidate at this time that can fix what ails our country I don't care what any of them say.

Bill/STL...Not saying you're wrong but...I think you need to research some of the "facts" you noted. Clinton and Obama both mentioned that voters from Florida and Michigan should count months ago. However, the request by the Clinton camp was pushed into the front line when the race got closer. Both candidates stated the voters shouldn't have to pay for the error made by the state Dems. Both candidates stated every vote should count. Again, this was months ago.

It was noted (in a blog on ABC.com) that if Obama was going to comply with the DNC and not acknowledge those states, his camp would have pulled his name from the ballot in both states. However, when the race was closer than first thought it would be, they pulled his name from Michigan knowing Clinton would win. By doing so, this is the result; votes don't count as they should. In reality, Obama received more in Michigan this way because the other 40% would have been split between Obama, Edwards, and the many others on the ballot at that early stage in the primaries. Smooth move but in all fairness...it was by the rules. Just something to think about with all that.

I am from Michigan, and I am an Obama supporter. In no way do I feel that Obama didn't value our votes or primary. He pulled his name from the ballot (along with most other candidates) because the DNC wanted him to. Clinton chose to leave hers on (even though she previously said she would remove it) to cherry pick votes. It was sneaky on her part. Plus Michigan deserves to lose delegates for cheating the system. The state parties knew the risks and decided to play chicken with their national parties...a stupid move, that we should be punished for. This should in no way be a reflection on Obama, and I think Michigan will go his way in November.

being the cheerleader isn't a bad thing since a leader is supposed to be inspirational and get people out there to influence change. any law that gets past, the people's vote gives it a go or no-go. the president role is to lead and inspire others to follow along....... citizens of the US needs to be proactive to make sure our new president speak on our behalf and fight for our cause!

Cheerleader = airheaded slut.

You think the POTUS is nothing more than a cheerleader? Please do some research on American politics. The people elect politicians, but the politicians must then lead the way and create ideas to solve problems. Obama is a smooth operator: great speeches, good voice, but no real "hands-on." Hillary isn't so smooth, but she's got the experience to back her up. But on a broad spectrum, Hillary is a cold-hearted liar, and Obama is just fluff. So what do you do? McCain has experience and character, but many say he is just another Bush. If you look at his record, he's about the most Liberal Republican you're going to find, so maybe that's why many Dems say they'll vote for him.

The POTUS should be a person of exemplary character, who balances experience with vision. But to be involved in politics means getting your hands dirty: no one who makes it to that level is truly clean or good, no matter what kind of face they present.

I think it's actually you, and those that think like you, that are truly splitting the Democratic party in two. Think about it...

And, just what is it that you are splitting other than the split ends of your hair????
Hope you will be happy with McCain who will carry on as a third term for Bush!!!
And you will have no one else but you new hero Obama, the Wizard of OZ, to thank for the ensuing mess. Read it and weep!

No its not people like us splitting the party in two, the media, the DNC the super delegates always no matter what trying to push her out, if it were the other way do you think the media or anyone else would have pressed daily for him to QUIT, NO THEY WOULDN'T. Perhaps they should lump all the primarys closer together and hen it wouldn't go on this long! Sorry all our friends and family will sit this one out or not vote at all, maybe next time the DNC and media will rethink their tactics.

Funny, that when Hillary had the superdelegate advantage she was all in favor of that system, even renaming them "automatic delegates." Now it is the evil superdelegates who have "stolen" the election (even though Obama also won the majority of elected delegates)? I do agree the superdelegates are a bad idea and they should be done away with the next time around, but Obama won the elected delegates. Without superdelegates in the mix, he would have wrapped the nomination up a couple weeks ago. How is it that the winner of the primary is to blame for splitting a party? Let me guess, because he didn't "wait his turn?" Folks this is a democracy not a dynasty. The people have made their choice (and yes that includes those of us in the states that "don't count" in the Clinton calculus like Washington, Oregon, Colorado and Montana. All you have to do is take one look at the McCain speech (giving hot water bottles to dehydrated babies?) and the Obama speech tonight and you know that Barack will be our president come January. It will be a great day for America and progressives, including former Hillary supporters.

Once again Polysci, nicely stated. Just watching McCain and Obama tonight, it is clear who has the poise and grasp of the issues to be the president. McCain almost seemed like a highschool student reading a speech that he didn't understand. His presentation was lackluster at best, and absolutely off the mark at worst.

AGAIN! KEEP YOUR VOTES! SHE WAS DEALTH A REAL BLOW FOR SURE, BECAUSE SHE REALLY SUCKS AND HER COACH (BILL) EVEN SUCK HARDER.

THERE IS AN ADAGE " A STREAM THAT FORGETS ITS SOURCE, IS BOUND TO RUN DRY SOON OR LATER"

BILL CLINTON WILL NEVER HAVE HAD THE WHTE HOUSE THE SECOND TIME IF NOT FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN'S VOTES, SAME WITH HILARY IN NEW YORK, SHE RODE ON THE BACK OF THE PEOPLE OF HARLEM WHERE BILL CHOOSE TO HAVE HIS OFFICE.
MAYBE BILL DID GIVE A RAT ASS BACK THEN, BUT I BET THAT WOMAN (HILARY) DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU AND I. WHITE / BLACK/ EVEN THE PUERTO RICANS....LOL SHE ONLY CARES ABOUT HER SELFISH AMBITIONS

I understand your disappointment and anger. But please, a vote for McCain only means more of our service men and women will be wounded and killed - at an enormous cost to many of us personally and to our country's interests and economy. I hope when you consider this, you will vote to end the war and I do believe to not enable a third Bush and like term. Thank you and God Bless.

What exactly do you mean, "He has brought more divisiveness..."? This man's entire message is inclusion of everyone. All the man has ever tried to do was unite us despite our many differences. I'm appalled by any person who calls him or herself a Democrat and says they will now vote for McCain just because their candidate didn't win! That's not standing up for principle, that's standing down because of pride. Do you believe America as we know it today would be here if the founding fathers (& mothers) had've simply stood down the moment something didn't go their way. IT IS IMPERITIVE THAT WE STAND FOR SOMETHING GREATER THAN OURSELVES! If you let something stand in the way of what you know is right, then I'm left to wonder what you truly believe in. If you feel that McCain best represents you, then please by all means give him your vote, but if you do vote McCain then I find it hard to believe that you ever truly supported Clinton, because her and McCain ARE complete opposites. But this is America and everyone is free to do as they want, but simply giving your vote away is probably one of the most irresponsible and repulsive acts I can think of. Especially, when I think of the many people who marched and died for that right and you're willing to simply throw your voice away because your candidate did not come out on top. What you are talking about is epitomy of divisiveness and is exactly what the Republican party is counting on.

Have YOU ever served? How can you possibly think that pulling out of Iraq would help?
The War, in case you haven't noticed, is over there, not here, and being fought by
those trained to do such things instead of by civilians on airplanes.

America has lost it's will. Instead of whining about the war and prosecuting every one of our
boys who squeezes off a round, maybe, just for old times sake...support the troops, push for a win....
oh, a win, I think we forgot how to do that...we're too busy wrapped up in petty bull and handicapping our soldiers with ridiculous "rules" so that we can't possibly win and then
we whine that we're not winning and we have to pull out. What a bunch of lemmings
with no individual foresight you people are. Where the 5o'clock news leads...you idiots follow.

America is primed for the taking. Let's elect some kid with no real experience who
wants to go and have a chat with those who would just as soon kill us and then yank our boys
out, all the while crying defeat because, well "we just can't win".

I wish people would have to take a current events quiz before they got their voter registration.
...and I wish people would do more research on their candidate than what Oprah said
and the 30 seconds you caught on CNN yesterday.

Narrowminded and not full of any truth or fact. Those who are against the war are not against our troops or slighting them in any way. The principles that the war is based upon, and the involvement which is warranted are not kosher to the info and spin the American people were fed. Once again, no slight to American troops in any way, they are the backbone of America's freedom and I don't think anyone here is in any way dissatisfied with their service. It is the definition of victory that is lacking because there isn't one. And the psuedo-definitions that have been given are ridiculous and not grounded on intel or reasonable possibility. Iraq is it's own country, not an American province. The troops in Afghanistan are underfunded, and undersupported. That is a real threat, the Taliban is starting to regain influence and power. That's where the muscle should be focused and the win attained.

I dig how you are Truly Shutting the iDiOtz down!
I am Very shocked and actually worried about the minds of common man, you press on though!!

Will do! haha

U SHLD VOTE MCCAIN BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE, IF HILARY HAD GOTTEN THE NOMINATION. I WOULD RATHER HAVE ANOTHER NAME IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THAN HAVE ALL THIS PEOPLE THAT THINKS THE WHITE HOUSE IS THEIR ENTITLEMENT

No kidding!

I too don't understand Democrats who support Hillary, but won't vote for Obama. Sounds like sour grapes to me. It just makes no sense, because the first chance he gets, McCain will put another conservative justice on the Supreme Court, and get Roe v. Wade overturned. Is that a step forward for women's rights? This race shouldn't be about age, or sex, or race...it should be about taking a new step forward. Maybe Obama can't do the job...maybe he can...I for one would like to see something new attempted. McCain and Clinton are definitely not new...same old stories, same old politics. Go Obama!!

I am a democrat that would like change but that is the oldest campaign slogan their is, do you expect change if he is going to put new faces in the cabinet,probably not I'm sure you will see alot of old politics in his cabinet if so where do get change??? If you want change seems to me you would not want any of the old politicians in office with you but sorry you won't see that because he needs some EXPERIENCE in his cabinet.

ok so what are you saying. This country needs change from what we have been dealing with the last 8 years, do you have any family in Iraq, or family members who were let go by big corporations like enron, or family that cant afford to drive to work cause gas is to high. Maybe you dont have no family maybe your old and like being alone with out no health care pensions and government help. Now if Obama is talking about changing these issues then im behind him and i dont care what he has to do to accomplish it

Obama isn't talking about good changes for Americans, he will be catering to Africa and his own kind. Obama and his church people have belittled Whites and Jew's, and it was caught on tape. Obama is a half black and Muslim joke who should be banned from running for President for not saluting to our Flag of the USA. Also if you call someone a Christian for worshiping a Buddha that's ridiculous.

Well said, VeraEsther.

Hillary likes to say she won the popular vote, but this is quite a stretch of the facts.

ITS A REPEATITION OF THE BUSH FUZZY MATH. SHE CLAIM POPULAR VOTE BY COUNTING THE VOTE THAT SHE AGREED WONT COUNT. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE KNEW THEIR VOTE WONT COUNT, THE TURNOUT IN THIS PLACE WERE LOW AND MANY UNDECIDED.
SHE DID NOT GET THE POPULAR VOTE. ITS UNFAIR THAT SHE KEPT PERPETRATING THIS NONSENSE. SHE IS VERY LUCKY BECAUSE SENATOR OBAMA HAS BEEN A GENTLE MAN ALL THE WAY, AND BEEN VERY SENSITIVE TO THE GENDER ISSUE. WE CAN DEFINATELY SAY LESS FOR HER.
JUST IMAGINE WOMAN WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT MAKING COMMENT RELATING TO SOMETHING GRAVE HAPPENING TO OBAMA, SO SHE CAN THEN WIN.....WHAT A !@#$%

If the grammar and punctuation (or lack thereof) on this board is any indication of the intelligence of the American people, we're in a bigger mess than we thought!

This comment is a shining example of the greatness of today...today America took a step out of the dark past, and we are well on the path of relegating the last vestiges of this racism and intolerance to the dustbin of history.

Shaffer, your comments are not based on fact and you have no business spreading lies. If you want to speak then deal in truth. Obama has never been Muslim at any time, and every allusion to that is a lie spread by extreme right wing spin groups. Period. Learn some facts before spilling racist and untruthful words out onto the internet.

Of all the comments I have read tonight, the one about Obama being a Muslim is perhaps the most ridiculous and ignorant one of them all! Trying to play to peoples fears is one of the Bush administration's oldest tricks and quite frankly, America isn't falling for it a second time. Bush and co. had us there for a while right after 9/11, but this is a new day.

BTW, are you suggesting in the entire history of man that a single Muslim has never converted to Christianity? If so, I'm sure the Christian sects living in Iraq, Egypt and Lebanon would beg to differ with you. Your rant sounds rather flagrant and uneducated, so I won't waste too much time responding.

I think it's cowardly for people such as yourself to come into a public forum such as this and spew untruths with strong discriminatory and racial undertones.

This general election is not about religion or race or sex or any of the other excuses people such as yourself use to divide society. This general election WILL be about policy. The things that truly matter to America and her best interests.

If you feel that McCain best represents your values, then please say that. But please check the ignorance at the door because America is ready to turn the page. The days of being afraid of change and trying something new are old.

What is it about Obama that scare some of you so much? America used to be called the melting pot of the world, not so much anymore. But she is still a VERY diverse nation. My mother came from another country in search of the claim that all is possible in America and for the first time in her life, she is able to finally witness that claim and the Democrats are leading the way based on the diversity of their primary with an African-American and a woman leading the way.

Before all the labels people wish to lay upon me, I am an American first and that is all that matters. People such as yourself are not going to scare the rest of America anymore. So, go ahead and label all you want. Divide us into Democrats, Independents, Libertarians and Republicans, Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans; it won't matter because the great divide you hope for no longer exists as it once did.

Re. Shaffer...
As an Indian (from India) - The other "great" democracy that claims to be a melting pot of various cultures, races, faiths and beliefs, i am no stranger to outright bigotry, lies, intolerance, racism, stupidity and ignorance in the electoral process. Glad to see that the aforementioned democractic values are alive and well in USA also. Just goes to prove that when it comes to irrational hatred of others who are not like us, there is really no difference between the educated, emancipated westerners and the illiterate, disenfranchised eastern peasants. Issue based voting and politics - the holy grail of democracy - will remain elusive until the human beings evolve beyond the cave-man mentality. Unfortunately there are more neanderthals like you in this world than homo-sapiens.

From David:

"This general election is not about religion or race or sex or any of the other excuses people such as yourself use to divide society. This general election WILL be about policy. The things that truly matter to America and her best interests."

A very noble desire, but probably not true. Take this very board as an example: this election IS about religion, race, and sex. It shouldn't be, but thanks to human nature and fallacies, it is. Christians are complaining that Obama is a Muslim. Whites are complaining that Obama is black, and blacks are celebrating him. Woman are celebrating Hillary. Ignorant people everywhere are complaining about all of them. We have great ideals about the American political system, but unfortunately our reality falls far short.

Well said, Judy. My thoughts also. Why knock one over the other? They both broke barriers and set precedents! They are both capable and wonderful individuals. Are we now going to continue tearing each other down rather than focusing on what's really important?

Pathetic, probably a troll being paid to say absolutely nothing and just stir up trouble. And if not, wow, what a sad excuse for comments and logic. Hopefully Americans are truly smarter than this.

Interesting commentary from someone who appears to be a troll being paid to say a lot.

WHY SHOULD HILLARY GO AWAY? ALL THE STATES THAT REALLY MATTER IN A FALL ELECTION VOTED FOR HER. SORRY TO SAY BUT THE SUPERDELEGATES JUST HANDED THE PRESIDENCY TO JOHN MCCAIN

It never ceases to amaze me that Obama supporters continue to try to find each and every article or negative thing about Hillary Clinton. I watched the same speech and didn't see anything of the sort that this author pointed out. Listen - neither one of them are perfect - but, I do have to say, while Obama is eloquent - there's just something about him I can't put my finger on that makes me not trust him. One thing I have to say though, it looks like Michelle Obama is about to release Hillary from that "most hated First Lady" role - Michelle has it hands down already. But, I'm not a sore loser, Obama won the Democratic nomination, unfortunately McCain will win the general election and we're stuck with another Republican for 4 years and a man to boot! You would think after all these years of men screwing things up you guys would have gotten wise and at least let a woman try - but no, once again - the good ole' boys got their man - hope you can live with him. Hillary should run as an independent - boy that would shake things up! HA

Russ you are on drugs. McCain can't even beat people who dropped out of the race months ago, He finished third in Montana this evening. He has a lot of work to do as does Barak Obama. There are enough Republicans who won't vote for McCain because of who he is as there are white people in rural communities and angry white women who won't vote Obama because he is black. By the way...racism and sexism are diseases...you people should seek help. This fall's election is going to be very interesting and a competitive contest.

McCain will win only with your help. If you join in the movement to build unity and to end the war, McCain won't have a chance. Please join us. Save lives. God Bless.

Russ you said it correctly that the Dems just handed the election to McCain. As close as the race between Hillary and Obama was there's simply no way Obama is going to gain the Hillary votes he needs to beat McCain in the fall.

Well said, well said.

You sure have a short memory of the good years that we enjoyed when Bill Clinton was in office and about the decades of hard work that she put in to help this country. Because she will not go away easily, you bash her. You insult her for being a fighter to the end and trash her for not jumping on your bandwagon. She must exit correctly in order to bring her supporters along to help Obama and your negative comments only hurt Obama's chances of gaining her supporters to him. She understands this. You on the other hand sound like the bitter one. You are doing the harm to Obama by bashing Clinton. You are responsible for votes jumping over every time that you do this. How about showing some respect and gratitude for what she has endured. He will be the nominee, but peopl like you will ensure his defeat.

I agree with Nicole's comments above. I too am a white woman who chose to vote for the nominee who will fight for our rights as Americans. That nominee is Senator Obama. He has run a clean campaign with strong ideas from the beginning. He didn't hide behind negative ads as a cover for shortcomings. He deserves to have his accomplishments honored by all competitors. The thought that Americans would stay home because Clinton isn't on the ballot is horrifying, that kind of thought spreads like wildfire. He followed the rules and isn't willing to change them now. He fights for the party on all levels. Why are rules made if they are to be constantly scrupled and changed? Obama is due his praise and will lead us in the right direction for the United States. God Bless You Senator Obama, you inspire and amaze. YES WE CAN!

Once again, pathetic. Crawl back into your lying hole Shaffer, Americans are smarter than this. As they proved tonight.

WHO IS THIS SHAFFER GUY! YOU CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTAIN AND DEVOTED TO GOD. YET YOU ARE SO BLIND AND DO NOT KNOW CRAP ABOUT THE TRUE ISLAMIC FAITH. YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE THE EVENTS THAT HAS THE INSTRUMENT OF FAITH AND GRACE OF GOD IN ACTION.

IT IS NOT BY JUST HIS DOING THAT HE (OBAMA) IS WHERE HE IS TODAY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS PREJUDICE WORLD WE LIVE IN.

SO WHAT IF HE S A MUSLIM, I BET HE WONT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE GETTING HIS KNOB SHINED BY AN INTERN OR MAKING OIL DEALS WITH SAUDI ARABIA " BUSH".

THIS IS A MAN THAT PROCLAIM THE NAME OF JESUS MORE THAN I HAVE EVER HEARD ANY AMERICAN LEADER DO, WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IN HELL HILARY CLINTON BELIEVES ARE NOR HAS SHE EVER CLAIMED ANY.

MY CHRISTAIN FELLOW ,AS U CLAIMED.....THINK DEEP AND RECOGNIZE WHEN THERE IS A GREATER FORCE IN WORKS... THIS MIGHT HELP YOU SOMEDAY,SO YOU DONT MISS THE RAPTURE